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I really want to kick the ever-loving shit out of this little asswipe.

He's a Lance Corporal. That means he was promoted from Private (what 99% of recruits graduate as), to Private First Class, to Lance Corporal. His statement,

"I wasn't thinking about the violence ... how my beliefs against violence would be challenged,"
 

  is what's known in polite society as a LIE. (also as "horseshit", "cowardly sniveling shit", etc).

Maybe the Marines are different now, but when I was at boot, we used to have all these clever little phrases. Gems like:
  Blood makes the grass grow, Marines make the blood flow! (when doing PT)
  One shot, one kill! (on the range)
  I must shoot him before he shoots me. (from the 'rifle prayer' we said every night before going to bed)

You can't get your feet off the yellow footprints without knowing, you're there to kill in the name of your country. "Learn new things"? What the FUCK is that about? Yeah, I learned lots of cool new things: how to break arms, slit throats, fire a machinegun, close a sucking chest wound.

So, LCpl Funk, you're a lying little piece of grabbastic shit. If you don't want to join the Marines, because you're not all about the killing, FINE. Plenty of people aren't into it. It's cool.

But you don't make it out of Parris Island without knowing damn good and well what your job is: to kill.

You don't stay in the Marines, even as a fucking cook, without knowing that you can be called upon to take up a rifle and kill people (that's why all Marines go through infantry training).

So clue to everyone: don't join the Marines if you aren't willing to kill someone, without hesitation. The Marines are not there to "challenge your beliefs", they're there to eliminate the enemy, and you're a cog in that wheel.

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  • As far as I'm concerned, soldiers who go CO should be charged for the cost of their training, then put in Leavenworth for a nice long stretch.

    Once you take the oath, you've made your choice. If killing people is so *massively* evil then ten years in military prison is more then worth it to save lives, right?

    Rustin
    • At the very least this clown shouldn't have joined the USMC.

      There are other ways to serve one's country that are far less likely to require you to kill others than the joining the Marines.
  • Another good thread on this is here [slashdot.org]. Already posted my thoughts there too.
  • But for simply political reasons.

    Dude is an idiot, that is obvious.

    However, the anti-war protestors would probably use his stupidity for their own political gain...nothing wrong with it, I suppose, but the pattern of concientious (spelling of that word is?) objectors has been established already in the last gulf war.
  • Amongst other things, blindly (?) following orders and killing other folks wasn't for me. I'd have more luck being a soldier of fortune, where I can pick my battles. Anyway, the guy is a serious dipshit. I agree with pm that this guy deserves a nice, federally funded, 20 year vacation in Kansas.
    • Just so you know....it never was or ever has been about blindly following orders.

      Yes, you might not understand why you are doing it, but there is nothing blind about it.

      Blindly following orders would be to jump off a cliff for no reason other than someone told you to.

      It's more along the lines of hey, go charge that hill.

      You then decide hey, I should charge that hill because we need to take this objective or whatever. The example kinda sucks, but I am gone for the night.
      • The only orders you follow blindly are "down!" and "mask!".
      • The thing that drew you to service, and kept me from it may prevent a full 'grokking' of what it's about. I realized after posting that 'blindly following orders' wasn't quite right either.

        Was thinking about this thread a little earlier. Conscripted armies probably aren't anywhere near as well as well paid, trained volunteer armies. I would think that I would do my duty, but not as well as someone who wanted to be there. I would do it better than someone like Mr. Concientious Objecter from the parent story
  • Exit from the island is as easy as saying, "I made a mistake, I don't want to be a Marine."
    If you don't want to be a Marine they do not want you there.
    Of course theres a counseling session to make sure thats what you really want to do but it's not like the little bitch was drafted.

    jeez

    • Re:IIRC (Score:2)

      by banky ( 9941 )
      It's slightly more difficult than that. First they beat the shit out of you for a while. Then They beat the shit out of you some more. Then they talk to you for a while: first your Senior Drill Instructor, then maybe your recruit Company Commander. THEN you get to leave, but it means staying on the Island until you're processed out, which happens at US Government paperwork velocity (could be tomorrow; could be months).

      I saw this happen in my platoon at boot, and talked to a number of people who saw the exa
    • If he doesn't want to fight he will be a liability to the others. Let him go. Its preferrable to him deserting and getting thrown in prison for life.
  • don't join the Marines if you aren't willing to kill someone

    The problem is that people join the other branches instead, where they may end causing a lot more death but can more easily afford mindset that mitigates personal responsibility.

    The culture of killing (of the Marines) is a lot preferable in my view than most of the other branches, where the consequences of a missile or bomb hit are far removed and involve so many more people from the kind of work a real soldier on the ground with a gun does that
  • COs have a long history in Western democracies. The Brits had hundreds in WW1, some famous.

    It comes back to one simple question - do you believe in a volunteer armed force? If you do, you have to have an out for people who don't want to fight.

    The alternative is forced combat. We fought the cold war to alienate, among others, that very idea.

    • My main point is that to make it to Lance Corporal and not have a clue is either pathological stupidity or a lie.

      Reciting "Blood makes the grass grow, Marines make the blood flow" over and over should have been his first clue. Shouting "Kill, kill, kill" day in, day out, should have been his second.

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