*sick* and tired of it.

Ya, looking at their front page, I think they were like, 'well, he hasn't worn a top hat yet, I guess we can just stick that on him and run quotes.'

I remember when the onion was ludicrous.

How can anyone even try to start defending that statement? Like, do you not know that we can see the mental gymnastics required? He's the president. When he says things, people all over America and the world are watching, with varying degrees of sense. The words a president mutters often cause economic and health disasters on small scales. This is why they're supposed to choose their words carefully. If you want a society to function well, you want cool, calm people in charge, so businesses can plan and grow peacefully.

So he's trying? This isn't a 3rd grade t-ball game, he's the freakin president. Go give your participation award to someone who really is trying to do something besides distract us from the firing of the pandemic response team in 2018.

I'm so tired of random conspiracy theorists endangering public health. Some for profit, some for attention, some on four types of drugs.

I wonder if he thinks smart thermometers and cell phones should use the internet to track COVID-19. What are his views on privacy vs this disease?

That's one thing I don't get. How come we don't hear about India being worse than America? Much higher population density. I guess it's warmer there?

sorry, just realized this was an old article referenced by a new dupe. lol, I guess nobody will see these comments except jellomizer, who I almost completely agreed with. So, pointless comment, but yours was pretty good.

It should be mentioned this was because it opposed the Dems pushing a bigger plan to make healthcare way more affordable.

I was in Taiwan just after that, and experienced really good healthcare for 1/6 the cost (comparing ratios of total countries health expenditures vs GDP).

I'm not saying we have to do exactly like them, just that stealing some smart parts of that would be a better idea. And that's what the Dems were pushing at the time. Obama immediately gave up on it (single-payer), and started out offering the R's a 'public option', splitting the difference. He got nowhere on that too, and basically let congress end up with the original Bob Dole plan, for a ~5% improvement on the system, keeping insurance companies on cloud 9.

Everything else is pretty spot on:

Agreed, if someone thinks that me saying one idea is better than an idea they're talking about means that I'm saying I'm better than them, then no rational conversation can be had.

In real court, trump would be tried directly by a judge or jury. But this is an impeachment hearing, where the r's are making every horrible excuse to not believe their eyes and ears. If you want to trade, I'm happy to. As it stands, most people subpoenaed are not coming forward, especially trump. If 1/10th of his claims were true, and there was no quid pro quo, why doesn't he just show up and say so? Why not provide congress with all that written evidence they've asked for?

If some of the gang admit the gang was trying to rob the bank, and the rest are silent, and they all offer a written transcript of a phone recording of them trying to rob the bank, why in the world would you believe they were not?

lol this is so easy: https://youtu.be/-7ZBJZRJu9g?t...

ok, real "court" does indeed have witnesses. Witnesses revealing what they heard and saw, sometimes even 2nd hand. This congressional hearing, under oath, found both. The US president tried to bribe a foreign president for help with the US election for president. It doesn't get any higher than that.

Then, after other witnesses said otherwise, he changed his story, and "EXPLICITLY stated" that yes, there was indeed quid pro quo. Everyone is under oath.

Ya I know. Doesn't mean we shouldn't call it out. But that part isn't the crux of my point.

No, not even close. Personally exalting violence against your opposition, both the candidate and even just supporters. Publicly encouraging racist myths. The first end result was a guy shooting up a Pizza joint. So, no, she did nothing like that.

Ya I have to agree that was a poor choice of words, and I think she even admitted it publicly. But it's not like she doubled down w/ it and made tshirts. Almost every negative word from trump was doubled-down on, and followed up with something worse, and supporters ate it all up, and keep doing so, to their peril. You can only follow a conman so far before you start suffering for it.

BS. It was unending, unfounded personal attacks with few facts/evidence and poor arguments to back them up. Exactly like this post. This one of course has 0 facts/evidence/arguments. But a good example of how she lost because mindless negativity trumped logic. Pretty common in politics.

Back on topic, the article is completely right. I remember pretty much the only reality-based argument against her that I ever heard from people was about emails & security practices. So people voted for these guys instead. Yeah. Just goes to show, if you are only logical, please get off your butt and start helping. If you're only emotional, please calm down and try to hear and consider information outside of your bubble. If you "don't have time to learn about politics", please either make time, or do not vote.

I want us to invent a bunch of tech and sell it to the world. I'm not convinced how much manufacturing is necessary. As long as we're leading, the money will flow. The green new deal/carbon dividend seems to give ourselves an excuse to do that, while being seen as heroes to the rest of the world at the same time.

Ya, compare this to a hummer. Every. Single. Catastrophic natural disaster that I've gone through, and it's a crazy commentary on the state of our env that I've been in so many events, I have seen giant gas station lines, or no gas available. So even if it's flooding, I'd rather have an EV in my garage, and a generator or PV in case it lasts. Now tesla gives me reasonable ground clearance on top of that? This kicks hummer's ass twice on Sunday.

Subsidies for environmental things do infact help the environment. You can't just handwave the truth away. Or, it at least makes for a really weak argument.

By that argument, promising any kind of tax cut is vote-buying. Promising that you'll simplify the process of registering teachers would allow for more teachers to apply, more selection, improving teachers, improving education, improving a generation of kids, increasing their income, and then their spending, meaning more money into the local economy, and finally AHA - VOTE BUYING! What a silly argument.

But all your arguments are simply trying to distract us from the real issue - companies that release pollution into the air harm all of us, and we need to incentivize pollution reduction, in many ways. This is one successful such practice.