Allright... Where should I start? It's not whether an OS is dead that matters but whether people find it useful. I have not really used a mobile phone since 2000. Or when I did use a phone it was never on, and people had to email me to tell me they would call me. So you could say I was not really into mobile phones. I started using one again a few months ago, for business. Guess which phone it is? A Nokia N95-8G that had been used for two years prior to me getting it. And you know what, EVERYTHING FUCKING WORKS ON IT. IT JUST WORKS. My only other small device (that I use actively) is a Nokia N810 with Maemo OS which is 'based' on Debian and has SERIOUS issues but I'm okay with it, I'm okay with it because I consider my N810 to be the best book reader out there, it has a shell, ssh, python, various compilers, source-code, documents and so on. Is it buggy? Hell yes. Am I happy with it? Yes. And that is all you need to remember about 'dead OSes' if people like it, it ain't dead.

Take care,

(a random coder who's owned almost every non-phone palm OS devices back from 1997. When I saw the N810, I knew I was home)

A Grizzly Bear? Next to the flour? Hhhm, I doubt that. The plank could never hold the weight of the bear, especially if we consider that the plank *already* has at the very least a few items on it.
Simple physics my dear Woosh, sorry my dear Watson.

Okay, exactly WHICH PART of ////// Rutkowska says that for her own security, "I don't use any A/V product on any of my machines (including all the virtual machines). I don't see how an A/V program could offer any increased security over the quite-reasonable-setup I already deployed with the help of virtualization."/////

did you NOT understand? Did you read that passage? I never got the idea she was pushing it for others. She was talking about HER setup. Your reaction is, well a little bit over-over-over-reactionary....

Forgot !!! My girlfriend (an artist), who gets annoyed when *anything* on her laptop does not work, is using Ubuntu as her main OS. She only browses downloads torrents, listens to music with it or edits a .doc file in OpenOffice (knowing how to save back to .doc format). You know what she says when she uses XP (for a specific VOIP app she's running) ? It's so slow !!! How can Ubuntu be so much faster than this? She genuinely wonders and believe you me, she dont know computers, dont like them, dont feel them... so if MY girlfriend is happy with Ubuntu and not with XP, exactly HOW is Ubuntu not ready for the Desktop?

Greetings =)

I remember struggling with Linux in the late '90s. I got so mad at myself for not being able to do stuff that I felt *EVERYBODY* else could do with *their* Linux/BSD. Didn't touch it for another two years, then got back into it. Still had headaches, kept using various linux distros on and off but never as my main/sole OS. Then about two years ago, annoyed with Ubuntu I started looking around. Remembered the nightmare that Debian testing was a few years ago and felt that Mandrake/Mandriva was not for me, I wanted something new. I was still mutilated from my experience with BSD. And I didn't want to use Backtrack as my main OS (although....hhhhmm !!!). (These choices are not set in stone, this is just the thought process I had, so don't start on how Debian is perfect....). I eventually found PARDUS LINUX. http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/comar/PythonInPardus.html And it's my ONLY INSTALLED OS. Do you *hear* me? *Everything* else is vmwared... And I'm *not* a *nix/Linux nerd... Oh yeah, I code mainly in Python for biz apps, and Pardus and Python are in bed together. If you like Python and have looked at window managers with bindings for Python but wanted more, go try Pardus. It's already been translated in a gazillions languages. Guess where it was made, TURKEY !!!!! nuff said... I fucking love this World, no matter how hard they try to crush certain things, they just keep on popping up, *all* over the place. So today i run 7-10 OS, on my little laptop, and I *never* was an amazing coder, sysadmin, geek or whatver the fuck you had to be to be able to do stuff I saw people do back then but could not for the life of me achieve..... So saying it ain't ready for the Desktop doesn't say shit... If you mean people that use their computer like some people use their car(as long as it works I'm fine, should it break done let's go see the mechanic) well then fuck no, Linux ain't for them, unless it's all locked down and then they won't use it, they want to install the fucking Emoticons. Really... Let's stop acting like there are so many people ready for Linux. This is what I use:

1. Pardus where I code in Python, Asm, Forth but 65% Python, spend most of my time INSIDE A SHELL even though KDE is my default WM. You hear that? Me who could not format my HDDs in the ways I wanted 10 years ago coz I was 2 fucking dumb, am getting bored of GUIs and starting to code my tools so they ALL run from a shell...

2. Backtrack4 for well that you know, backtracking stuff, *lol*

3. XP in vmware for certain malware/virus analysis stuff or specific shit, like MS-Office

4. a few other small live Cds, for all kind of different stuff, mostly collections of utilities --> vmware

5. A couple of sec/forensics related distros --> vmware

6. A few other Linux --> OpenBSD, Debian, Centos, and Ubuntu, sometimes even Fedora ---> vmware

I'm now thinking of building my own distro, what the fuck !!!!!!!! Not ready for the Desktop???? We're taking over the fucking world, more like it. AND I AM among the late ones.... I'm not smart, I'm no genius, I'm waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind. (laughing so hard)

OH yeah, on the Source Control side of things, same story, back then ALL I was doing was fucking up, really, felt so dumb. And now ? git/svn/bzr/mercurial mainly svn for lots of google.code stuff (mainly django projects in my case), hg and bzr coz a couple of things that I follow us that and git coz God is a coder, and he loves us. Oh the joy.... I love you all for contributing to what we have today... Thank you.

Some dumb coder / with an eye on net-sec/vulnerabilities/exploits (you know backtracking).

Peace.

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Why is it that network providers are working their hardest to stop bittorrent, yet are perfectly willing to let the viruses, the botnets, the port scans, and untold mountains of spam propagate on their networks.
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This is my new sig !!!!!! Best line ever...