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Comment Re: Jeff Bezos said... (Score 2) 26

99.999% of which would be bad decisions.

It's not just about making any decisions. It's about making good ones.

Survivor bias.

You've seen the quip that goes something like: "LLMs are algorithms which produce hallucinations. Occasionally some of these hallucinations happen to be useful to humans."

So it is with people.
Our unscientific romanticism of notions like the Soul and Free Will make us retroactively ascribe Good/Bad-Decision cause-and-effect Narratives to outcomes.

100,000 people make 100,000 different decisions. Occasionally it happens that conditions in the world reward 1,000 of those decisions. Those 1,000 people then make 1,000 different secondary decisions. Occasionally it happens that conditions in the world reward 10 of those decisions. We then retroactively attribute narratives of Intelligence, Wisdom, Visionary Thinking to the 10 survivors and the animal/reptile brain kicks in with all sorts of neuroendocrine-induced reverence and casts the survivors as our bettors. We tell ourselves that the survivors deserve their rewards, because if we can believe that is true then we can believe that we too can hope to receive the rewards of Right Choices.

We are so biologically terrified to acknowledge the prospect of chaos in complex systems (such as the cosmos) that we would rather create and then worship a series of cruel and capricious Ubermenschen than live with the Conscious awareness that we are all amoeba flailing our array of pseudopods against the nature of reality. We need to believe we control the world we briefly blipped into and will soon blip back out of..

The ants that swarm your kitchen counter are there because that one explorer ant happened to go across your counter on that one time you happened to not notice that you dribbled a bit of fruit juice when you poured it two days ago. We would say that explorer ant's behavior was extremely successful. However, neither that ant - nor any of the others now spread across your counter - had Intelligence, Wisdom, or Visionary Thinking. If you had noticed the spill and wiped it up, that same ant may have expended its life and precious energy rambling around your entire kitchen finding absolutely nothing. Or falling prey to a spider. Or failing into the sink drain and drowning. Or being spotted and squished by you. The ant "made" the same "decision" and walked the same trail either way.

Comment Re:Not by AI, by Anthropic. (Score 1) 123

Your analysis is right, but the part about "would qualify as a crime if perpetrated by a person" isn't really the key. They key is rather, that to be guilty of a crime, the perpetrator must do so intentionally...with or without a computer or AI.

If the people running the AI test *intended* to break in to other sites, they could be guilty of crimes.

They intentionally created a device that they equipped with the capacity to commit crimes. They then activated that device and it exercised its range of capacity.

If they gave a kindergartener a loaded gun and sent them to the playground, but didn't actually tell the kid to shoot anyone, then even though they equipped the kid with the capacity to kill people and understood that a kindergartener explicitly has no capacity to understand the scope of its possible behaviors, we have now learned that it's okay -- neither the parents nor the kid at any point had active intent to kill people, and therefore no crime has occurred. No intent, no crime.
The DA's hands are tied.
There's nothing the legal system can do about all the resulting dead bodies.
May the odds be ever in your favor.

Comment Re:These companies need to bring charges (Score 1) 123

What remedy does the law provide for crimes committed by a computer? Not a person using a computer. The computer itself.

What remedy does the law provide for murder committed by a 4 year old kid whose parents handed them a loaded gun and sent them to the playground? Not the parent telling the kid to murder, but the 4 year old kid itself, merely exercising the capacity its parents equipped it with?

Comment Re:These companies need to bring charges (Score 4, Insightful) 123

Probably some of that, but it's also pretty hard to prosecute someone for a specific act absent evidence that they intended that act to occur. There's a whole family of "negligent X" crimes, but those tend to target specific outcomes ("that person is injured/dead because you were negligent"), and I don't think there are any negligent hacking statutes on the books.

No new laws needed.

I give my 4 year old a loaded 9mm pistol.
I tell them, "Now be careful with this. It could hurt people".
I send my 4 year old to a backyard birthday party with a bunch of other kids.
My 4 year old shoots a bunch of kids and they die.

You WILL be prosecuted and convicted as the criminal you in fact are.
There is ZERO legal wiggle room to base your criminal defense on, "But you see, Your Honor and People Of The Jury, at no point did I specifically tell my 4 year old to pull out a gun, point the gun at the other kids, and repeatedly pull the trigger until all the other kids are laying on the grass."

You, through your grossly negligent actions, gave a child the capacity to commit mass murder. You were aware that a 4 year old utterly lacks the capacity to understand reality at a level necessary to grasp the consequences of their actions.
You are 100% at fault. Every jury in the country will return a Guilty verdict in 5 minutes.

Exact same scenario with these companies.

Comment Re:Huh? "One of the most"? (Score 1) 205

If Star Trek and Dr Who are the most successful science-fiction television franchises, then Star Trek is indeed one of the most successful science-fiction television franchises.

Haha. True. But by that standard, then Donald J Trump is indeed one of the most successful of the recent 2 Presidents.

It's a statement that is grammatically correct but doesn't really tell you much of value.

Comment Re:81 remote code execution? WTF? (Score 2) 63

If so, the only thing that can fix this is throwing it away and starting over. With a time-frame of 10-20 years or longer. That will not go well.

That go-back-and-rebuild-better will never happen for any currently deployed aspect of our global civilization again. At least not by human choice. It would only happen after some tangible event like some silicon-melting alien EMP attack or circuit-devouring nanobot swarm goes rogue.

It's the same thing as that quote that goes something like, "The economy can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent".
The data centers can stay cycle through coprophagic tokens faster/longer than you can stay solvent.

Two paths to take:
A) Instead of pushing forward exuberantly into ever more complex nonsense, go back to the beginning and re-design deliberately and slowly with simplicity, stability, and scope in mind.
B) Yo dawg I heard you like vibe coding so we added vibe coding to your code with an agentic vibe coded agentic agent so you can vibe and code while you vibe code, agentically. To infinity, and beyond!

Our civilization always chooses B. Always. It never chooses A; it only does A when B was physically impossible anyway.

Submission + - Journalist Calls Out 'Collective Amnesia' of Schools' Romance with Big Tech 2

theodp writes: The74 reports that in her new book, Coding Kids: Big Tech's Battle to Remake Public Schools ("the inside story of how Big Tech catalyzed, co-opted, and ultimately came to capture computer science and AI education in America"), Natasha Singer, a veteran business reporter for The New York Times, traces Big Tech's bid to persuade schools to embrace their products, with industry-sponsored curricula and tools growing at astonishing speed.

In his book review of Coding Kids , Aran Shetterly begins with a Spoiler Alert: "Turns out, Silicon Valley isn’t especially altruistic." He writes, "At the center of her book is the story of the nonprofit Code.org and its charismatic, Harvard-educated leader, Hadi Partovi. Thirteen years ago, Partovi produced a five-minute video called “What Most Schools Don’t Teach.” This 'audacious act of Silicon Valley influencer marketing...aimed...at a low-resourced nonprofit sector: public schools serving millions of children,' delivered a worrying message: Kids who didn’t learn to write code would be left behind. And the long-term success of the United States economy depended on training these students to fill a million open tech jobs. [...] No word in Coding Kids chills more than 'democratize.' 'Democratizing' sounds a lot like 'democracy,' but the tech-elite byword has nothing to do with a form of government; from the lips of the tech barons, it means enforcing ubiquitous access to their products."

Fast-forward to 2026, and now we're dealing with AI, and tech is reading from a similar playbook. Asked by The74's Greg Toppo, "Does this moment seem different to you?", Singer replies, "This moment is different, but also similar. We are in a moment in society where a lot of people have increased distrust of these huge tech companies, and we see a wave of parents pushing back against tech in schools. [...] We have had these cycles of tech in schools where there are all these promises about the latest tech, laptops, learning apps, massive open online courses, virtual reality, big data's going to revolutionize schools and like democratize access to education for kids and get them these great career skills, and we keep having these cycles. My concern is that we don't learn anything. One of the reasons I wrote this book is because it feels like we have collective amnesia. Now we're in the sixth or eighth cycle of this — and shouldn't we be asking questions about the push for AI in schools, based on what we've learned about the push for all the other things that came before?"

Comment Re:Nicotine for the internet (Score 1) 76

And since mod points are awarded more often to frequent posters,

Don't think it works that way.

That is definitely how it works for me. The pattern is consistent and unmistakable, to the point that I know what level of my activity will be followed by receiving mod points within the subsequent 48 hours. It reliably brings me back to the site more often than I otherwise would. There are times I find myself drawn into a discussion in a way that I afterward realize will result in mod points, so I check back during a period when I hadn't planned to visit the site. I enjoy feeling like I am participating in maintaining and improving a community.

I've never deliberately tried to farm points, but when they are awarded I try to make good use of them before they expire.

Comment Re:What if AI only hurt dead people? (Score 1) 111

Suppose an AI were trained only on public domain material -- nothing more recent than 1931. Obviously this would have a lot of limitations (it can't talk about computers in any useful way) but also still has access to quite a bit of literature.

I find this opening more intriguing for a different reason.
Suppose an AI (our best available current version) magically had access to ALL human art, literature, diaries, letters, tribal masks, textiles, music, governmental decrees, etc. -- but nothing more recent than 1931.

Now, fire it up and start prompting it to generate stories, science, and art. It can freely re-consume its own generated material, but it never receives ANYthing after 1931.
Will it iterate forward and generate literature at the level and style of Umberto Eco? Flannery O'Connor? Salman Rushdie?
The structure of DNA? Quantum mechanics? Global Ethernet and fiber optics?
The diverse styles of Warhol? Whistler? Kahlo? Basquiat?
(okay, okay, any poorly prompted AI would probably look like Basquiat...)

Seems to me to be an interesting thought experiment toward the argument about whether AI does, or even can, create anything new on its own.

Comment Re:Nicotine for the internet (Score 1) 76

Yep, I'd be happy to be rid of AC posting. Though I would say, let us mod up and down in threads we have posted in. If you want, we could make it so you can't moderate on posts that you've replied to yourself but you could still scroll down the page and moderate other folks.

But who we kidding, none of that's gonna happen.

I've always believed the biggest problem with the mod system is that when a topic comes along where you have a high level of expertise, you can either post OR moderate, but not both.

It's a perverse incentive feedback loop.
Either discussions that are insightful/informative go under-rewarded and incorrectly mod-bombed with +5 comments that have numerous factual mistakes or gross misunderstandings,
or you get discussions that can be moderated properly, but there's not much of interest to read.

And since mod points are awarded more often to frequent posters, people with quality posting potential essentially have to make filler comments on generic threads in order to farm mod points to use on threads in their areas of expertise. Meanwhile, the people who shoehorn their blah blah and political factionalism into every thread will get more mod points that they can use to mod down people they disagree with and mod up people in their tribe for specific threads they don't participate in.

The selection pressure gradually silences the voices and influence of the best posters and gradually promotes the voices and influence of the ragebait copypasta tribalists.

Comment Re:we got ripped off badly (Score 1) 76

Ruin a couple generations of kids?

Everything was largely fine until Feminism. You can trace every single step of this disease back to its Feminist roots.

Of every Everything we've seen posted on this site, this is definitely among the most not-actually-every-thing Everythings ever.

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