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Comment Re:And are permanent? (Score 1) 87

You still have not answered the question since you have never actually done it. Do the messages still persist after scrubbing? Your answer is you don't know; you assume. From my experience with version control systems, the content can be scrubbed. The metadata persists. These messages are metadata.

Comment Re:Microsoft part right, part wrong (Score 1) 103

Yes we need malware to make this work, but the reality is the malware in this case has a far larger scope than it would on e.g. Chrome.

As stated by the researcher, anyone with admin rights to a computer can get the credentials of any other logged-on user on that machine. That does not require malware. Where I work IT admins do not have total rights to all systems as their access is compartmentalized. They have rights to certain systems. The server admins do not have rights to my computer and cannot help me with a computer issue. IT support admins do not have rights to the servers but can help me with a computer issue. Also where I work more systems have moved more to the cloud so the browser is increasing the only UI to access systems. Systems like HR, Payroll, etc. are now exposed as the IT support person should not and did not have access to HR. But now they can get access.

Comment Re:I'd love to trash Edge, but... (Score 1) 103

If the browser can decrypt it without you entering a password or doing a biometric authentication to a secure enclave, then so can an attacker who controls the browser.

Do you even know how password managers work? All your arguments stem from your flawed understanding of how they work. This is not how they work.

Encrypting the database achieves something useful against an attacker who can read the browser's files, but not against an attacker who can dump the browser's RAM.

Did you even read the summary? Chrome and Firefox only decrypts one password at a time and then deletes the password from memory once used. Only Edge loads the entire database in memory.

Comment Re:I'd love to trash Edge, but... (Score 2) 103

unless the browser required authentication for every password retrieval.

It would be much safer if the browser requires authentication for each site. Generally most users are not opening new sites every second. A possible threat is the one in the summary.

If an attacker has enough control of your machine to dump the password database, they have enough control to get it to retrieve the plaintext passwords unless every retrieval requires user authentication in the loop -- which would be pretty annoying, which is why they don't do that.

The whole point is an attacker dumping the encrypted password database does little as it is encrypted. Chrome and other password manages only decrypts one password at a time. Even if an attacker exposes that password, all the other passwords are safe.

Still, if it were me writing the code, I'd do it Chrome's way, just because leaving secrets sitting around in plaintext in RAM makes me uncomfortable.

To me, the Edge way is just laziness. It is also less efficient by storing every single password.

Submission + - Microsoft Edge Stores Passwords in Plaintext in RAM (pcmag.com)

UnknowingFool writes: Security researcher Tom Jøran Sønstebyseter Rønning has found that Microsoft Edge stores passwords in plain text in RAM. After creating a password and storing it using Edge's password manager, Rønning found that he could dump the RAM and recover his password which was stored in plain text. Part of the issue is Edge loads all passwords to all sites upon a single verification check even if the user was not visiting a specific site. This is very different from Chrome which only loads passwords for specific websites when challenged for the site's password. Also Chrome will delete the password from memory once the password has been filled. Edge does not delete the passwords from memory once they are used.

Microsoft downplayed the risk noting access would require control over a user's PC like a malware infection: “Access to browser data as described in the reported scenario would require the device to already be compromised,” Microsoft said. Rønning countered that it was possible to dump passwords for multiple users using administrative privileges for one user to view the passwords for other logged-on users.

Comment Re:Seems really low-maintenance to me (Score 1) 56

It will require Schrödinger levels amount of maintenance. It will be very little because AI can do everything. It will require a lot of maintenance because AI is incapable of doing real world things. Low maintenance makes the investment look good to suckers—I mean investors. Lots of maintenance means jobs to suckers—I mean the local population.

Comment Re:Easy way to kill this (Score 1) 56

If these are located more than 11 miles offshore, are they not technically considered international waters? While there are jurisdiction issues, piracy is a concern. For wave and wind farms, there is very little for pirates to plunder unless they want to strip them down for raw materials like copper. A data center would have far more valuable and easier components to strip. Oil rigs have to worry about piracy but they are manned by a large crew; offshore data farms would be minimally staffed if at all.

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