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Comment Re:Missing the point (Score 1) 81

Yeah, that's what they are - load levelers at best. They're not replacements and NEVER will be.

You are missing that they don't actually have ot be attached to a grid. I can easily generate all the power that I need from solar. Wind isn't practical in my house location.

All I'm waiting for is the right moment.

I've found All of the naysaying by your ilk to be way off. My local energy use through using devices that use a lot less energy, and by properly insulating have exceeded the naysaer's predictions by an incredible amount. Installed a top efficiency gas furnace that extracts so much heat that the "chimney" is 2 inch PVC pipe, as well as the intake. No inside air is heated and vented. Along with an extra layer of insulation in the attic, and I am spending per year what most locals are spending a month for heating. Damn thing has paid for itself in 3 years, not the 20 or "never" the naysayers claim. Same with turning all of the lighting into LED's. I'm paying 50 dollars a month for electrical service, and I have a freaking outside hot tub. Yeah, I bought a highly insulated one.

And I'll be off the grid as soon as solar power and energy storage hits the right price point, combined with the right point of conservation. And I haven't given up a darned thing - I live at a high comfort level.

Meanwhile those local smarter folk, some how are paying over a grand a month for heat, which is a lot more than what I'm paying per year and a few hundred dollars a month for electricity, 4 times my level, are on the smart track. Or not.

Comment Re:nothing to do with the environment (Score 1) 81

Your nasty-ass response is indicative of a typical feeling of loss of control and/or grandiosity.

Your incredible sensitivity is indicative of incredible sensitivity. Give me facts, or I'll give you a tissue to cry in.

Not sayin', just sayin'

People who deny progress have been denying progress forever.

It's how we get people who are still refusing to vaccinate their children, even though the researcher and lawyer who started the Anti-Vaxxer movement have long been discredited.

It's how a lot of people believe that the Earth was created in 4004 b.c.e., and that their deity created all life in it's present form, even though if their belief is true, all of physics and biology must be discarded becase it is completely wrong.

It's how a lot of people deny the existence of the greenhouse effect, or just say that the only Carbon Dioxide that has an effect is non anthropogenic sources, completely ignoring that without a greenhouse effect, life on earth would not exista at all, and that the human released CO2 os not human made, merely sequestered CO2 that has been re-released.

You might think I'm a prick, or an asshole, I wouldn't even deny that. So what?

But if that is the core of your argument, thanks for playing, and let the grown ups discuss things now.

Comment Re: Huh. (Score 1) 78

Obama's original birth certificate sadly was lost in the fire, but don't worry we have county records computer in Hawaii full of replacement ones

God keeps ressurecting the birth certificate, but Hellary has had every messenger trying to deliver the truth killed. I think she's up to a village worth now, so there's no one to raise the children any more.

Fear not though, God's armor Joe Arpaio is on the case, and the will of god shall prevail over muslim terror babies from Kenya.

Damn - I've probably started a new conspiracy.

Comment Re:Missing the point (Score 1) 81

Power is fungible. Whether the electrons generated go into your factory or someone else's at the end of the day has the exact same environmental effect. Worrying about which electrons are being used is idiotic and misses the point.

Oh boy - now you have them wondering what electricity has to do with mushrooms....... Furthermore the best locations for renewable power are not necessarily the best locations for the end users of that power.

Exactly, and its really the same for all sources of power, except perhaps nuc.

North and west of me is a lot of coal generated power. Its there because the mines are there. Population density is maybe 25 per square mile - that's a number off the top of me noggin - but it's mostly forest and cow pastures. Hydro is pretty obviously needing to be where there aren't a lot of people. And the nice thing about solar and wind is that they act as a load leveler, especially solar, which is most active at peak demand times. And as for wind, the Allegheny front, where a lot of Wind Power is generated, is pretty much constantly windy.

From earlier post

Further, trying to run full-time off wind+solar would require a substantial investment in energy storage to balance night/still air and storage is where we need the investment.

Power storage will matter for the system once you get beyond a certain generating capacity for solar/wind but for now fossil fuels and nuclear are more than capable of taking up the slack so it's an important but secondary consideration for now. For those who want to use the electricity they generate storage matters but that isn't the goal for companies like Google or Apple.

By the way, The person who says that running full time off of solar/wind needing a substantial investment in energy storage is not understanding that with traditional grid powering methods, there is already a huge investment in storage.

We don't build these turbine based power generation systems to handle peak power. Economics and turbine characteristics make that a bad idea for a system with wildly varying power demands. A turbine isn't good at reacting immediately, or running at power levels it wasn't designed for.Wanna see a power generation engineer blanch? Start talking about runaway turbines. So we load level. An example is using off peak hours to pump water into a reservoir that releases water to create enough electricity at peak hours.

The system is in place already, solar and wind act as very good load levelers, and they are becoming cheaper all the time. All that's left is the actuarial tables.

Comment Re:nothing to do with the environment (Score 1) 81

Nights and windless days are very much reality. It is a fact that wind and solar are not economical, else subsidies wouldn't be necessary to get them built. You speak of a threshold; well, Germany stepped over it years ago. It didn't work out, and they are stepping back. Might be we want to rethink, and make decisions based on facts and reality.

Spouting the same old same old. Was your great-grandpappy all pissed off when we switched over from whale oil to kerosene? Or changed over from those bright carbon arc lamps to delicate little filament lamps?

Do you fly into a rage when you see an LED lightbulb? https://banledlighting.wordpre...

Load leveling is the issue, and it's an issue for every form of power generation. And without a milliwatt of solar or wind, it's heavily involved in power generation right now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Power is stored when it is available, and drained when it is not. While there are differences, in power availability, the principle is the same.

Right now, battery storage makes local storage quite feasible, and there are new introductions on the way. But there are so many other factors. Ever build a house in an area where there isn't power yet? Just wait until you get the bill for running a couple miles of powerline. Solar or wind is not only cheaper at that point, it is much cheaper.

As well, a lot of us are looking for ways to remove ourselves form the power grid. At which point a whole different powering paradigm comes into play. It is really easy for me to figure out my hotel loading, and come up with the powering and storage needs to provide myself with electricity. Its a work in progress, but I've reduced my electrical bill to around 55 dollars a month, and that's with all my computers, and a spa tub. I have a small solar install as a testbed, powering my radio equipment. At the moment solar hits a good price point, I'm off grid.

By the way, Using subsidies as a reason that solar or wind isn't viable is not a good tack to take. Oil gets huge subsidies. And just try building a nuc plant without immense subsidies, and even tail end subsidies - where the plant is given liability immunity. Anyhow, I've got some plans for a carbon arc lamp if you want to go back to the old ways.

Comment Re:nothing to do with the environment (Score 2) 81

What's happened is that Amazon has come to realize that there is little point in continually pay someone for power when you can just get your own. This is simply a cost cutting measure to grow their AWS profit margin and ensure they can compete with competitive pricing. It's also good PR which they can use as ammunition for marketing. Amazon execs don't give a fuck about the environment, it's all about the money.

Actually, I suspect they do. I know a lot of higly placed people that actually do care about it. If thy didn't, for the immense drain on profitability as claimed by some - they'd never be allowed to go this route.

What is changing, is that despite what a lot of CogDis people think, a threshhold is being crossed. CogDis people can bring out the same old memes of it won't work, it won't work economically, it won't work because the sun isn't shining or the wind doesn't blow 24/7 - but this stuff's gettin' real.

Comment Re:Not sure you have a lot of options? (Score 1) 212

Yes, a computer should be getting updates if it ever connects to a network independent of whether or not it had internet connectivity. In this case, it is the other hosts on the network that create the risk.

Sorry, I have a Windows 10 off th einternet system. Now that it works, there's no way I'm going to screw it up with Microsoft W10 updates. On the computer I used to familiarize myself with W10, it's been bitched up three times now. P A vius is a lot less damaging than missing a deadline because teh computer stops working. At this point, Microsoft is included in the malware suppliers.

Comment Re:'Batch Tuesday'? (Score 1) 212

There should be a single blog, yes. But there should also be the ability to choose which patches you want, if necessary. Say a particular graphics driver is known to kill a certain game, or a certain network update conflicts with a utility, there should be a way for advanced users do opt-out of them.

Or even better, not make updates that have to be rolled back because they fuck up machines. It must be Stockholm syndrome or something akin, that so many people are so accepting of an Operating System that regularly screws the pooch in the computers. They even seem to think that getting their computers fucked up is a mark of superiority.

Ain't no need for that friends!

Somehow or another, OSX and Linux manage to not screw up people's computers often or at all. Using all three, my Windows machines Well, I'm down to one now are the only ones that work just fine one day, then after an update do not.

full discosure, Mac Mail got a little goofy for a little while, and one update made my Mac at the time a little jittery, but it was fixed pronto, and it noever stopped working

Getting rid of the W10 Dell I was using was a huge improvement, freed up time to actually do work, not get the computer to work.

But then, Microsoft is trying to create an environment as closed as Mac,

What is this "closed environment" people speak of? I can install any program I wish on my Mac. I run Windows 7 on it. I can run Linux on it. I don't often run Linux on it because it's already running Unix. But if that's a closed system, gimme that over Windows 10 any day.

It's not about what users want anymore, just about extracting maximal dollars.

Can't argue with ya there, although some times it seems like an abusive relationship between Microsoft and their users as well.

Comment Re:Does it matter? (Score 1) 286

You really are an ignorant, bigoted asshole, clearly spurting out nonsense in a bid to gain attention for your own ego purposes, hypocritically projecting on a daily basis to satiate your need to not feel that people think of you the way you are. You do this pattern of behavior every day on slashdot.

Every damn day with your hate, ignorance, and ego. No substance. No positive points save for the sycophantic mods by people that behave the same as you. I'd imagine quite easily that people out in the real world avoid you for this behavior.

Thak you. Pissing people off like you is one of my little joys in life. The more iirritate you, the more I validate myself.

Now that you are on the hook, let's roll, dear Coward. Game on?

Comment Re:Does it matter? (Score 0) 286

does that mean that the guy (you meant "yahoo", right?) in Kentucky has the right to shoot down the flying device? As you mentioned Kentucky explicitly, I would say: YESssss!

Consumer drones have become interwoven with paranoia about weaponized military drones.

And there's a conversation that need to be had about that. Interestingly, I can get some of the folks who are paranoid about drones really really really pissed off when I combine their paranoia with what is often their main love in life. Guns.

And that is, Do we have the right to shoot down a weaponized consumer drone and deprive another American of their second amendment rights?" Do I have the right to protect my property using my second amendment rights?

And of course, the resulting anger is because I asked a really tough question. As a gun owner and drone owner, I don't have an issue with the concept of target shooting with a drone. But is sure as hell isn't simple when you are dealing with people who think in absolutes.

Comment Re:Does it matter? (Score 1) 286

And yet RobotRunAmok is correct.

No he isn't. He took one simple sarcasm, and tried to do a psyche writup on me, which was completely incorrect. Then he added declarations on me being a Hipster, and a member of the High school AV club.

I was being sarcastic, he was making incorrect declarations, possibly based on projection. Regardless, he completely ignored the salient part of my post, which makes for some interesting discussions.

Comment Re:Does it matter? (Score 1) 286

Online Forum Pro-Tip: When you write "'Murrica," you betray your classist prejudice, weaken your argument, and reveal yourself as a hipster lightweight.

Or I can be sarcastic. Sarcasm has nothing to do with hipsterism, more to dealing with people who find that using deadly force is fun.

One most interesting thing is that you manage to make some claims, about my Hipsterism and the AV club, you manage to do a whole psyche workup on me. Odd. You'd be real surprised to find out what I actually am. But I'll leave that to your febrile imagination.

Kind RobotRunAmok, when we try to determine what another person is with precious little information, and based upon an incorrect assumption in the first place, we tend to engage in projection.

And when we completely ignore the reasonable question that comes along with the sarcasm, we manage to project even more. You give me much more info about yourself than I ever gave you.

Back to the meat of my comment, completely ignored in your snarkalicious reply:

In this case, we most certainly do have a property rights issue. Do you own the airspace above your house?

This is not just a simple drone issue. If you own the property rights to the airspace, anyone entering it is trespassing. Police will need a warrant to fly over it. You will be able to claim "stand your ground" laws if a Ultralight flies over your property, and you terminate the pilot, armed or unarmed.

How much leeway is there? If you fear you are being spied on, do you have a perimeter off your property that will serve as a "grace area" if you stand your ground and shoot down a drone, that turns out to not be on your property?

Do you have the right to shoot down a drone on the drone owner's property is you fear the drone on the drone owner's property is spying on you?

Do you have the right to terminate the drone owner if oyu see he is flying his drone over your property?

And in a country where more people are willing to use firearms as a first resort, perhaps such conversations are worth having. But you just fixate on "'Murrica", and become the dude who on Netnews a few years ago that declares someone's argument null and void because of a spelling mistake. A great way to move the conversation forwards. Thanks for playing, anyhow.

Comment Re:Does it matter? (Score 1) 286

Does it matter if the drone operator was in the wrong? That does not give the hillbilly permission to shoot it. How about the next time his pickup truck exceeds the speed limit or parks illegally, we set it on fire. Is that OK?

Living in 21st century 'Murrica, other questions come to mind, If a person sees a human powered airplane or helicopter over their property, and believes the pilots are spying on his teenage daughter, does that mean that the guy in Kentucky has the right to shoot down the flying device?

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