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Comment Re:It's funny (Score 1) 118

a quick search shows it is an online app.

Then don't do a quick search. Do a proper search. That way you can have an informed opinion.

Thanks for the suggestion. Good to know.

I searched, got what I needed to know, and stopped. Why? because I have other things to do beside an in-depth, experience based opinion of the workings of Collabra. I saw enough to make my opinion.

If that's not enough for you, well - sorry, not sorry.

Comment Re:It's funny (Score 1) 118

Whoa, I was expecting you to be a jerk to her. You have really impressive people skills to meet her half way and give her guidance on the way forward. I'm glad she apologised, was clearly in over her head though that doesn't excuse her behaviour towards you at first.

One of my skills is working well with difficult people - or highly stressed people. It slowly incorporated itself into my whole workflow. In the job I retired from, it was mostly difficult people, a few stressed like her.. My present work is often dealing with stressed out people.

In this case, the poor young woman was about ready to piss herself. She was about ready to truly freak. Just about to the point where she was ready to stop taking input. So I got her calmed down to the point of at least just crying. Then slowly relaxing after I told her we could fix it, then got her prepped for her talk.

Her real issue with being difficult was insecurity masked by being rude - she was actually an okay person.

One time I caught a guy (literally) who became faint right when his presentation started. Took a small break, I told him that everyone there wanted him to do well. Once again the breathing exercises, and I hung out right by him when he finally gave his talk. I stood at the podium, running his powerpoint while he talked.

Comment Re:It's funny (Score 1) 118

My father in law used to do design work in Excel. No kidding. He claimed Publisher et al didn't give him the precision he wanted, or something like that. It was amazing what he could put together in Excel.

I do antenna designs in spreadsheets. First the basic calculations, then the adjustment calculations for final SWR accommodations. I might try plotting out frequency sweeps some day if I get bored.

Comment Re:It's funny (Score 3, Funny) 118

Yes "Spreadsheet" might go down as one of our best inventions, it's a go to for a lot of things, and very flexible. I work in mechanical simulation, spend a lot of money on making pretty UI's for users to copy the results into Excel. Changing my plan now, if you cant beat 'em, join them.

I use spreadsheets all the time, yes they are wonderful tools. Only downside is friends teasing me, some claiming I use a spreadsheet to plan intimacy. Of course not - that's my wife's job.

Comment Re:Unprepared pilot project (Score 1) 118

People are trained for Office. This is like the "typewriter course" from the 70s. It even shows up in job requirements. No company will invest in training for a new text-typing tool. Either the tool is exactly like office (not superior, not stabler) or it won't stick.

So it looks like in 3026, everyone will still be using O365, because, well - that's what they have to use.

Comment Re:Unprepared pilot project (Score 1) 118

Presumably they just pushed Collabora to employees telling them "it's just like Word, don't worry" and gave them no training whatsoever.

Because in all the areas of complaints (issues with style, paragraph formatting, blank pages, and challenges with tracking changes), Libreoffice, on which Collabora is built upon, is actually superior and more stable than Word. If you know how to do it or get teached how to do it.

Heck, I wrote, edited and formatted a whole *book* with LibreOffice, with proper styling, paragraphs, page jumps and blanks, and change revision... And that was 10 years ago! Although Scribus would have been the best tool for the job, I was extremely pleasantly surprised with the result. No way I'd ever manage to do this with Word...

I agree, Libre Office is a superior product. And it has gotten even better over the years. It is my daily driver, and I have O365 and Mac Numbers.

Also, if you don't run a pilot project correctly, you are going to get sketchy results. Libre world isn't all that different than O365, but yeah, you need some training. The open and save options are much greater - some might get confused. But the differences aren't even too difficult to overcome.

Comment Re:They were using Open Source software, so ... (Score 1) 118

if it does not do what you want take the damned source and add what is missing and everyone will benefit.

I think the problem is a combination of people not wanting to change workflow, sort of an inertia effect. I've gotten some people running on Libre Office, and they are happy. I don't know enough about Collabra, so I don't have the details of how it works.

Comment Re:It's funny (Score 4, Interesting) 118

More to the point, management would have to understand the alternatives, none of which are they familiar. MS-Crapware is ubiquitous on their desktops, hence they have developed a sense they understand it. Their accounting depts agree, they can put a precise value on the stuff, it isn't out of the ordinary expensive, they happy. Plus, there are all those Excel spreadsheets with all their home-grown macros doing fuck-all, and it is worse if the fellows who wrote that crap have left the company; they are not around to explain how it works.

The inertia, the "tools I use" outlook brought up a memory. This all happened within a couple weeks. A guy on the non-technical, more marketing arena at work needed to make an instruction manual for the projects sponsor. So he used PowerPoint to attempt the manual instead of Word. It all fell apart on trying to index and other issues. Problem was, he used the entire budget for his mess. He brought it to my department and tried to get us to start all over without charging for it, which we couldn't do. Had to get special permission and an emergency charge number from accounting. Then there was the young lady from accounting. Fresh graduate, she needed to put together a presentation. So of course, she used Excel. And likewise faceplanted. She was also a bit of a handful. Came in all afire, ready to bite my head off, eventually crying and hyperventilating. Fortunately I knew her reputation already. With a barrage of screenshotting and redoing the things Excel doesn't do, I got her a reasonably nice PowerPoint, had her go over it. Even taught her some breathing exercises. She ended up doing okay on her big presentation, came back apologizing for yelling at me.

Comment Re:It's funny (Score 1) 118

Everyone complains about M$ making changes to M$ Office every few years but they swallow it in short order and the complaints vanish almost as quickly as they started.

Why is that? The only answer I know is because management, from the top down, say there is no choice. You're marked if you say anything openly at all.

Stockholm syndrome, inertia, perhaps a bit of baksheesh? Or maybe a bad choice?

I don't know much about Collabra, a quick search shows it is an online app. That for me is a quick, hard, no thanks.

Comment Re:If systemd Is So Bad... (Score 1) 42

Yeah I absolutely love the fact that my init system has a say about DNS servers and how logging happens. The journalctl system is dumb. Most of what it logs is useless dbus messages. I prefer good old syslog.

And the wonderful thing is that you have choices that don't use systemd. Or do you want everyone to use what you prefer? MacOS doesn't use it so maybe that would suit! 8^/ MacOS uses launchd. Anyhow, use the OS version that pisses you off the least.

Comment Re:There is no such thing as legacy anymore (Score 1) 67

“Behold, I make all things new. The last window is closed, and the true dawn is opened.”

37 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear: for the age of updates passeth away, and the kingdom that cometh shall never again prompt, ‘Would you like to restart now?’

This needs to be at +5 - get to work mods!

I am in utter awe! I laughed until the tears rolled out. Possibly the best thing I've ever seen on the internet, let alone Slashdot.

Comment Re:AI use is like drugs (Score 1) 89

AI use is like drugs. The people using it didn't realize what they are doing to the people around them. In fact silicon valley relies increasingly on scientifically calculated addiction.

When I ask a question, I'm asking for first hand knowledge or experiences. The people who are deep in AI pshychosis cannot understand that. They will look it up on AI, pretend they are authorative and share it with you. If I wanted to look something up with AI, I would do it myself.

The with of these beings is the meth addict out sleeping on the street. These meth addicts will also scream don't blame the tool so they can keep getting their fix.

Do you read Sutter Cane? The situation is pretty similar.

Out of curiosity, since I've been around long enough to hear about how every technological advance is terrible, and since you believe that AI is a terrible thing - riddle me this, at what year should we have frozen technology? When should we have become latter day Amish?

I think hunter gather times might have been a good time to freeze technology, before the agriculture advances. What is your year we should have stopped? The loom? tight before the Industrial Revolution? During the time of subsistence farming?

You need to work hard to get humanity back to when technology wasn't "harming" people.

Now before you get too worked up, here is why I ask those questions. People have a tendency to believe that the technology they grew up with was the proper point. I recall a time when personal computers were a so called tool of the devil. And yet, they are the tool many of us do our jobs with now.

We can still find people who are pissed off that tube technology is so much better than transistors, integrated circuits and Software defined radios. Seen anyone doing punchcard programming on IBM 360's recently? I did that at one time. People whine about modern cars, preferring ancient ones, yet I remember pulling over to the side of the road to crack open a beer in teh mid 70's when the car my father gave me hit 100K. And at that point, it was pretty well knackered out. today, cars regularly goo 200-300 K miles or around 500,000 Kilometers.

The list goes on, I won't belabor you.

All technology comes with a cost of both good and bad happening. And I get it. A lot of people here are programmers, and that field will change. If I were a programmer, I'd be updating my skillset - I've upgraded mine several times over the years, as technology changes, I've changed along with it.

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