Comment fake news. prices are down 1500% (Score 1) 37
you're suffering from extreme tds and you are a disgrace.
you're suffering from extreme tds and you are a disgrace.
Yes, thank you.
Oh I see. Thanks. I thought the post was talking about the present day
He was a sullen 21-year-old premed student at USC, a shell-shocked World War II veteran who had expressed an eagerness to practice surgery.
How can a 21-year-old be World War II veteran?
fake news, democrat hoax, tds, deep state, affordability, groceries, something, something
"If you want to know more about CECOT, this story — featuring some excellent reporting from "60 Minutes" in the Before Times — can fill you in."
Trump & Deportations: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
there also is:
Surviving CECOT (full doc) | Deported to a Maximum-Security Prison | FRONTLINE + @ProPublica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [13:18]
and this from 60 minutes 8 months ago:
What records show about the migrants sent to Salvadoran mega-prison
meet the new slashdot editor: clippy
something seems to be missing
no, you just gave me an anecdote.
That is not a meaningful reply to what I said.
sure it is. you wrote:
I live in a part of the country with quite a lot of datacenters. The organization I work for owns 3 of them.
Our cost of electricity is pretty damn reasonable. Cheaper than Texas and most of the midwest. Not the cheapest in the country- but well below average.
just because your electricity costs are lower than average that doesn't mean that's the case everywhere
Price only increases when demand outpaces supply.
exactly. datacenters mean more demand. so you need more supply. do you think more supply is free to generate?
https://www.pewresearch.org/sh... [pewresearch.org]
That's interesting, but pretty easy to shoot holes through.
1) They cite number, but then give no evidence that their interpretation of them are correct.
For example, their given reason for the increase between 2014 and 2024, while sounding meaningful, leaves out the fact that the increase precisely matches inflation in that same time period.
there weren't many datacenters in 2014. the DOE expects datacenters "are expected to consume approximately 6.7 to 12% of total U.S. electricity by 2028" and "Gartner Says Electricity Demand for Data Centers to Grow 16% in 2025 and Double by 2030."
2) They make a similar mistake while comparing increase in capacity price, "Capacity prices are usually shouldered by...", while presenting no evidence that they are currently, not to mention that again- the available price evidence doesn't support that conclusion.
and who else will shoulder the cost increases if not the customers? aliens?
come on! it's a datacenter for goodness' sake. there are no jobs besides a couple janitors
I operate several datacenters in the Pacific Northwest. You don't know what you're talking about. Why do you talk about things you know nothing about?
since my experience doesn't count like your experience does, here's a paper from the University of Michigan's School of Information and
and Public Policy and the Michigan Environmental Justice Coalition:
Data centers do not bring in high-
paying tech jobs
Data centers do not bring high-paying tech jobs
to local communities because they operate as
infrastructure projects rather than traditional job-
creating businesses. Although the construction of
data centers can create many jobs, those are short-
lived. Once data centers are built, they require
relatively few employees since the facilities primarily
house computers and servers.8 The jobs that data
centers do create locally are typically low-wage,
term-limited, non-technical positions such as
security, maintenance, and janitorial work. These
roles are often filled by contractors rather than full-
time employees, meaning they lack union protections,
benefits, and job security. As a result, these positions
tend to be short-term and do not contribute to
sustained economic growth or long-term career
opportunities for local residents.
Subsidies intended to encourage job creation result
in corporate benefits without local hiring.
For
example, tax breaks for data centers in Washington
State were intended to create jobs in rural areas but
primarily benefited large corporations like Microsoft.9
Since the inception of the incentives, more than $300
million in tax revenue has been forgone—money that
would otherwise have supported public services such
as education, emergency services, and infrastructure.
In exchange, the data centers have created few jobs
and have required limited staffing for operations. In
Quincy, a small town that hosts several large data
centers, the local fire department is so underfunded
that it struggles to retain personnel and replace
outdated equipment—even as Microsoft and other
tech giants operate multimillion-dollar facilities
nearby. In some cases, the cost to taxpayers for each
job created can exceed $1 million. Furthermore, the
state has little oversight or enforcement mechanisms
to ensure that the tech companies deliver on
promised benefits. Despite initial legislative goals
to boost local employment and economic vitality,
the reality is that taxpayers are heavily subsidizing
wealthy corporations with minimal transparency or
accountability regarding the actual economic impact.
https://stpp.fordschool.umich....
seems my claim "there are no jobs besides a couple janitors" wasn't stupid.
no they won't. people won't vote for more municipality taxes receipts if that means $200 higher yearly electricity bills. let's get real
Yawn.
You sound like a variant of a renewable doomer.
I just think the negatives outweigh the positives. datacenters are a waste of valuable resources like electricity and water
1) As I said, there's no evidence that power bills increase.
no, you just gave me an anecdote.
from the Pew Research Center:
For example, in the PJM electricity market stretching from Illinois to North Carolina, data centers accounted for an estimated $9.3 billion price increase in the 2025-26 “capacity market” (i.e., the total amount of electricity that providers in the region commit to supplying). As a result, the average residential bill is expected to rise by $18 a month in western Maryland and $16 a month in Ohio.
https://www.pewresearch.org/sh...
2) Even if they do, people will vote for more, higher paying jobs.
come on! it's a datacenter for goodness' sake. there are no jobs besides a couple janitors
3) Even if they don't get that, people will vote for the taxes their municipality receives, and the programs the datacenters fund.
no they won't. people won't vote for more municipality taxes receipts if that means $200 higher yearly electricity bills. let's get real
I think those referendums will mostly fail.
people will vote for higher power bills to help poor google, ms, meta, and amazon?
people will vote for higher power bills to help poor google, ms, meta, and amazon?
I'm aware of the right's anti-educational push but I wasn't aware of those quotes. Bastards; higher education for me but not for you.
put aside the environmentalists for a moment. think about high power bills. I see datacenter zoning referendums coming.
Innovation is hard to schedule. -- Dan Fylstra