Marxist Hacker 42's Journal: Reverse Colonialism

I've often been accused of racism in the past few years because I'm against excessive immigration. I keep retorting that I'm not a racist, I'm a culturalist- I'm fine with immigrants who want to come here to join our American/Canadian culture and all the high lifestyle standards that provides, in return for being some of the hardest working people in the world. I'm against people who want to colonize our land, bring in their culture, and replace it with theirs. I'm also against bringing in more people to areas where the carrying capacity is already at it's limit.

I've been rightly or wrongly criticized for that in the past- but apparently I'm not the only one who feels this way: Illiad of UserFriendly Fame, who apparently lives near a casino I once did technical support at in the mid 1990s, wrote a very good essay on his blog about the difference between "immigrants willing to join the community" and "immigrants who cut themselves off". Just so happens most of the ones down here in the states who are of the later variety start their life in the United States with an overtly criminal act, but the attitude is the same. They're sending the message, by forcing Spanish on the rest of us (or Cantonese in the sake of Richmond, BC) and by breaking our laws to come here, that they don't want to become a part of our community, that they only want to colonize us.

I'd also point out that's exactly what we English and French speakers in North America did to the Native Americans- and we should learn from their failure what happens when you let too many immigrants in who don't want to be a part of your community.

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[DaedalusHKX]

You're right in a way.

You fail to mention what the vaunted socialist writer Zinn mentions in his work.

The natives were thinking they were "cheating" or "tricking" the white man by entering into contracts with the white man and selling land to the white man that didn't belong to them. (That one's also mentioned in Lies My Teacher Told Me.)

So lets recap. Today we're sold that big lie that natives didn't believe in owning or controlling land. This is fairly well known to be a bald faced lie. They were simp

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[smittyoneeach]

I think what you and I agree upon is that there's too many stupid people on the face of the earth. They cannot be saved, or enlightened. Therefore, the only other solution is to permit them to remove themselves from the gene pool. The only way to do this is to remove social controls. The unfit, mentally stupid or otherwise incapable of thought or action, will wipe themselves out. If they manage to take a few tyrant types with them, all the better. The human populace is due for a good contraction. I would sa

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[DaedalusHKX]

What I was meaning by that, and I thought it would be obvious (but perhaps it isn't to those still living in the "fear of one's own shadow and thus run into the arms of the *protectors*" paradigm) is acqually quite simple.

Remove all the idiotic laws that permit idiots to remain alive despite doing remarkable, dastardly or even EVIL things.

For example. Idiot breaks into home. Steals gold and diamond jeweldry, money and family heirloom, escapes to rooftop, and falls through skylight. Judge issues damages t

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[smittyoneeach]

Yeah, things are messy, but the "devil you know", statistically, is less fearsome than the potential for anarchy lurking behind your ideas.
Unless, of course, you're one of the current victims. ;)

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[DaedalusHKX]

Ironically it is ignorance that makes "anarchy" seem so evil. Ignorance of the actual meanings of words. Anarchos... "ruler less" "without king" "one who is without master." Depending on the translation of course. So the question to ask is simple. How did we get to take a word that used to mean freedom and independence and it is now seen as "evil"?

The better question to ask is this one. Is it truly THIS hard for individuals to take responsibility for their actions? Is it truly that good for some to v

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

Ironically it is ignorance that makes "anarchy" seem so evil. Ignorance of the actual meanings of words. Anarchos... "ruler less" "without king" "one who is without master." Depending on the translation of course. So the question to ask is simple. How did we get to take a word that used to mean freedom and independence and it is now seen as "evil"?

In the late part of the 19th century the Italian island of Sicily experimented with anarchy. What happened was a few business leaders got together and used the

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[DaedalusHKX]

So you're saying that the IRS was incorporated as a private company in Delaware because the Mafia were the only "protection" racket in town?

Interesting.

Damn, now I gotta scrap every other piece of evidence I've researched...

And "democracy"?? Man, you must have not read all the documents leading up to the Constitution... have you? This praise for "democracy" is fairly recent. Slightly around the time of the introduction of the Prussian School system.

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[smittyoneeach]

We have an Athenian democracy at my church.
It will not scale.
The Articles of Confrederation were simply a flop.
Hence our Federalist approach, at Constitution-time.
Since Wilson, the 'progressives' have taken us towards the other ditch, with overly concentrated power in DC. The lack of declared wars since WWII,
recent (arguably misguided) adventurism from the executive branch, and
the spiraling entitlements constraining the financial freedom of the country, (all the while binding individuals to DC)
are

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

I personally think Athenian Democracy will be able to scale soon. To do it right, you need a community blog, a home DNA scanner accurate to 1/80,000,000,000th of a percent, and a nationwide DNA database for voter registration.

Of these, two are technically possible today, and the third will be possible within the next 50 years.

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[DaedalusHKX]

You must not have read the same Federalist Papers I read. I never saw Hamilton EVER argue (neither he nor the anti federalists) in FAVOR of any form of democracy. Hamilton was upset because there was a lack of central power.

You may want to dig up the little issues of the Committee On Style (of which Hamilton was a member) which removed "His Excellence" as the title for the president. The bill of rights was thrown as a bone to help the Constitution pass in enough places to give the new aristocrats a sembl

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

Well, considering that I'm largely an anti-federalist (I personally think we'd be much better off in my state with an immigration quota keeping californicators out, for instance), and there's always a place for an minority to move to where they are the majority.

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

So you're saying that the IRS was incorporated as a private company in Delaware because the Mafia were the only "protection" racket in town?

No, I'm saying that in 1936 that Congress added the words "and illegal activity" to the FORM 1040, wording that still exists there today.

And "democracy"?? Man, you must have not read all the documents leading up to the Constitution... have you? This praise for "democracy" is fairly recent. Slightly around the time of the introduction of the Prussian School system.

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[DaedalusHKX]

And that relates to the Mafia registering dead people to vote, sometimes multiple times, in Chicago exactly how?

Heh... well don't feel bad. So did the republicans these last two elections. And so will whoever's selected to win the next one. The cattle will vote their way back to the butcher block, and the BOYN will get its steak dinner again.

BOYN - Boot On Your Neck party. :)

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[iminplaya]

What happened was a few business leaders got together and used their freedom to rebuild an underground government.

Which would mean it's not anarchy. Once there is a "government" or a group with authority over another you have something else entirely. Real anarchy would preclude even the desire to create a government with such authority. Anarchy is a vacuum of sorts. And nature abhors that.

And I just want to say, welcome back. Good to see you around.

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[smittyoneeach]

Or you can go to an Amish community, where nobody really wields authority, or lets much happen outside the stated bounds for the community

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[iminplaya]

Authority by committee is still authority.

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[iminplaya]

(joining a little late here) I know the human animal isn't ready for it yet, but ultimately, true anarchy is the goal to work for. A goal where nobody attempts to prevail over another. Unfortunately nature, working under the rules of "might makes right" tends toward exactly the opposite. So we can't have anarchy until we become human, and we can't become human until we desire anarchy.

I ordered couple of scrambled eggs with some breaded chicken. Which should I eat first?

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[ces]

The thing is there are activities that require more than one person to undertake. This requires structure and organization. This leads to something that begins to look remarkably like a government as the number of people involved increases.

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[iminplaya]

From what I understand about anarchism is that it doesn't preclude cooperation, only coercion. Consent has to be unanimous. Each individual makes a personal compromise within, depending how he feels about completion of the project at the moment. One has to know himself if he is impinging on the rights of another. A real anarchist for example won't dump his garbage into a river where there are others downstream. And those downstream would not have to enforce a prohibition against such a thing. It's a whole l

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

From what I understand about anarchism is that it doesn't preclude cooperation, only coercion.

Maybe that's my problem talking to you- my reading of historical anarchies (such as what happened on the island of Sicily in the late 19th century) suggests that anarchism ENCOURAGES coercion.

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[iminplaya]

I'm merely contending that if someone desires to rule over others, anarchy is impossible, and war is eternal. All authority is based on coercion. To say that anarchism encourages that is to say that it encourages authority. Which I would find rather awkward. Authority is a natural, animal condition. To become human, we must be able to live without it. If we must follow somebody, we should follow those will no desire to lead.

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

I'll agree with that- but choosing those with no will to lead *requires* authority and a system of law. A lack of a system of laws leaves you with the raw animal DNA- and BTW, human beings are animals. Denying that is what got us religion and government to begin with.

Mad magazine

[zogger]

There was a great cartoon in an old Mad I had once, late 50s or so, I just don't remember exactly. Merkans had evolved into these roly poly legless creatures, like those bozo punching bags. Some asian lean and hungry and skinny soldier types were walking around tipping the merkans over and laughing about it.

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[DaedalusHKX]

Hmmm...

*looks around, and at his own gut... *

*thinks he hasn't been working out as much as he should, at least not lately.*

No joke, that might've been a joke back then, but its already canonized now.

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

.that the guy sneaking over the border, that's first on his mind. Colonialization.

Well, actually, Reconquistada is quite a social myth in Mexico. Many of those so-called "corrupt politicians" down there got into office promising the reconquest of the southwestern United States.

There's even a government office that puts out comic books teaching people how to sneak across the border. Now, granted, we did the same thing to them in Texas in the early 1800s- sent enough people to settle there until they

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

I submit that we're talking about two different classes of people.

I'd like to think that- but the last election in Mexico, where both sides were promising Reconquistada, kind of proves it wrong. Poor people vote too- as dysfunctional as the Mexican government is, both parties know it.

Good luck in "reconquering" California.

Aztlan within the next 6 years will have a new majority race at the current rate of sanctuary cities growth in the state. Once that happens, just try to stop it.

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

That's cute. Hollywood? Silicon Valley? We're just gonna hand that over? Or let it be taken?

What are you going to do about it? Go in with the army? At which point Mexico responds to protect it's newly won territory?

If we're not willing to put troops on the border to stop an invasion of smugglers that have killed five border agents and seven park rangers in the last decade, what makes you think we're going to protect Hollywood? And what does the Silicon Valley have to offer anymore other than a bunch o

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

It doesn't matter if it's a fantasy or not. In the mean time, Mexico will continue to use that "fantasy" export their criminals to us in large enough numbers to threaten the current American culture, which is dying off anyway (in that sixth generation Americans are having *FAR* fewer children than is needed to replace themselves). If you want to live in Mexico City with it's pollution, sewage, and litter problems, that's fine with me. Just don't export it here.

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[ces]

Aztlan within the next 6 years will have a new majority race at the current rate of sanctuary cities growth in the state. Once that happens, just try to stop it.

That is just so delusional I don't even know where to begin.

FWIW California accounts for roughly 10% of US GDP, so whatever happens those with the gold will make the rules.

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

When that 10% of the US GDP is owned entirely by Latinos, how do you stop it? Those with the LAND make the rules, by the way- gold is now just another commodity.

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

Ok, now you're just trolling. The *entire* state of California, in your estimation, will be owned by Latinos?

Eventually. How many white people do you see still living in the bario? And we're not just talking Mexico anymore- half of the people crossing that border are OTMs. We're talking about a mass migration starting in northern South America and moving northwards, at a rate of 2 million people a year.

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[ces]

Just so happens most of the ones down here in the states who are of the later variety start their life in the United States with an overtly criminal act, but the attitude is the same.

First of all it is a civil violation and not a "criminal act".

Second of all a fair percentage of those without a legal right to be in the US crossed into the US at the usual border crossings with perfectly legit visas.

Indeed I personally know of at least a few who have done this. Several foreign students who decided to stay after graduation. An au-pair who didn't go home when her stint was up. Someone who came as a tourist and stayed for a few years.

Some eventually went home, others were eventually able to

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

First of all it is a civil violation and not a "criminal act".

That's more of an enforcement problem. The Amnesty Act of 1986 granted amnesty to those already here, but made crossing the border without a valid visa or citizenship a deportable felony. Then we spent the next 22 years avoiding enforcing that law, leading people to *believe* it's a civil violation. If we actually enforced the law, we would be committed to rounding up and deporting all 12-20 million undocumented workers, leveling fines of $1

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[ces]

Also true- but once again that's an ENFORCEMENT problem- we never check up on those whose visas expire. It isn't a problem with the current law, and once again, it's a deportable felony.

And how do you propose finding someone who doesn't necessarily want to be fount without becoming a police state?

Once again, an enforcement problem. There should be NO reason for this in this day and age- we should be able to subpeona their banking records electronically from all over the world, and give them an answer in under an hour even on the slowest databases. And we shouldn't be dealing with *any* country that doesn't have that capability.

Well there is a crazy amount of paperwork someone who is trying to comply with the law has to deal with. Furthermore the issue is a bit more than just looking at banking records. Though I will say the issue from what I understand is one of not being willing to upgrade the information systems or hire enough people to process the existing paperwork/case load.

Then why don't I ever hear "Press 1 for Spanish, Press 2 for German, Press 3 for Japanese, Press 4 for Italian, Press 5 for Swedish, Press 6 for Polish" on the phone? If it's exactly the same, why don't we offer the other choices as well?

Because the children of the immigrants

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

And how do you propose finding someone who doesn't necessarily want to be fount without becoming a police state?

People need to work. Require all employers to check IDs, and start weeding the bad numbers out of the databases. Employers that hire anyway get their business licenses yanked, and maybe even their own citizenship yanked. If there's no work, people will move elsewhere to find work.

Well there is a crazy amount of paperwork someone who is trying to comply with the law has to deal with. Further

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[ces]

The phrase "papers please" sends chills up my spine.

I mean, sure you will probably deter a lot of crime and even catch some you don't now if there are random checkpoints everywhere, house to house searches, mandatory paper trails for all business and government transactions, government database checks every time that paper trail is updated, etc.

But I have to question if that is the sort of society we want to live in since the dragnet isn't likely to go away once the "problem" is solved and is likely to be a

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

The phrase "papers please" sends chills up my spine.

It doesn't to me- it means that I'm a part of something larger.

I mean, sure you will probably deter a lot of crime and even catch some you don't now if there are random checkpoints everywhere, house to house searches, mandatory paper trails for all business and government transactions, government database checks every time that paper trail is updated, etc.

I'd point out that is exactly how we deter crime now- but it's mainly private security forces do

Regional

[mercedo]

I often forgot what nationality they are when they speak one common language and embrace one common social system though their ethnic origin is different.

Is it realistic for America people to worry about colonisation from other culture when American language and America-type capitalism are about to be omnipresent in the world.

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

I often forgot what nationality they are when they speak one common language and embrace one common social system though their ethnic origin is different.

Correct- as long as the newcomers continue to do so. America, unlike Japan, has a serious demographic problem- not only is our population aging like Japan, but sixth generation Americans, those who are so assimilated into America that nobody in the family *remembers* an ethnic origin, are NOT replacing themselves- that group is only having 1.1 children

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[mercedo]

American language and America-type capitalism are omnipresent only *because of the melting pot*.

The simplicity and consistency of American language and social system makes American standard prevailing.
They say America consists of a melting pot of various people and culture, but in my eyes it seems rather mosaic.

This demographic situation has much to do with America's dynamism, and it might be the hidden cause of the expansion of American standard world wide.

So why you need to oppose?

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

So why you need to oppose?

We don't need to oppose all immigration. But we do need to oppose those who would NOT accept American dynamism- who would bankrupt us by sheer weight of providing for their needs without them contributing anything back.

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[mercedo]

Probably any country has immigration law. Basically they control the number of immigrants. Nationality also matters a lot. Japan has a strict immigration policy, in the past some people who oversatyed are sometimes deported. Japanese governement wouldn't allow overstayed foreigners to stay longer when they legally applied, but leave them as they are when they don't report their illegal overstay because it's almost impossible to find illegal aliens.

People, comodities, money..

We start to deregulate the immigr

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[Marxist Hacker 42]

We have immigration laws in the United States, but to a large extent they haven't been enforced since 1986. There is token enforcement- but right now someplace between 3% and 6% of the population is breaking the immigration laws and NOTHING is being done about it. The biggest argument to do nothing about it is that the problem is just too big to do anything about it- kind of a head in the sand approach.