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Journal Mantorp's Journal: Anyone here negatively affected by illegal immigrants? 25

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Yes I'm an immigrant so perhaps I should just shut up or go home, but I just don't see what the fuss is about.

You can wave statistics around of how it's negatively affecting the country all you want but I still think the resentment is rooted in xenophobia and nothing else. I don't buy many of the reasons given why illegal immigration is so bad, least of all terrorism and economic impact.

And this quote from our leader's speech last night is just pure bullshit: "We cannot build a unified country by inciting people to anger, or playing on anyone's fears, or exploiting the issue of immigration for political gain."

I don't have high hopes for the nex prez to be any better though, they're all corrupt bastards.

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  • ...any more than flag burning or gay marriage is an issue. It's a distraction and a way to draw out polarized voters to the booths. These sort of things come up every 2 years when it's election time. If immigration doesn't get people riled up, watch for bills on gay adoption to come up for vote in November.
  • Immigration reform is to xenophobia what intelligent design is to creationism.

    There's a poorly veiled underlying opinion that isn't PC to have. I'd find it refreshing if people would just say that they want all the stinkin' wetbacks out rather than hide behind thin arguments of economics and law. They may be valid arguments, but they're not the motive for the debate.
    • that's just not true. look at how many polls show that people view immigrants and immigration positively but want the whole thing done in a controlled, above board fashion.

      and the people who have the most to gain from immigration reform are the immigrants. there is no way to get around that fact and it blows apart the whole - 'they hate the brown people' line. calling it xenophobia and racism is playing the race card pure and simple while refusing to deal with the very real and complex issues at
      • i agree with the idea that reform helps, though i am not decided as to what reforms would be best.

        Having more avenues for people to come legally, holding countries who want to argue about ours up to a similar standard (like how mexico treats illegal immigrants) and holding other countries responsible on the global stage for making life better for their citizens... these are all good ideas.

        I do not like the idea of amnesty. I like the idea of people having the chance to become citizens, but i do agree that t
        • I'm biased because I don't live anywhere near the border, and I'm an immigrant, and I have tons of friends who are immigrants (we all speak English and pay taxes by the way). Some came illegally and I think this place would be worse off without them.

          I agree on the legality issue but I despise the president more for listening in on my private phone conversations (Hi George) than I do a poor immigrant just trying to make ends meet.
        • I'm not for amnesty myself either. Primarily because we already tried that and it failed miserably.

          I don't think physical controls could ever do the job alone, the border is way too big and as you point out, people are willing to die to get here. That level of drive will overcome fixed defenses.

          You hit the nail on the head about jobs Americans 'dont want'. McCaine was speaking to a union group and said he would pay people $50 bucks an hour to come down and pick lettuce-- thinking that he
  • When a national security apparatus is used - in violation of posse comitatus - the issue at hand must be mereley a pretext.

    The model for arming the US border has more to do with the wall in Berlin, than the one across China.
  • I agree with that fellow dave-tx to a great extent. I know very little about the issue as a whole because, until the media started hyping the protests that stemmed from that House bill, I never really thought about it much.

    This leads me to believe off-the-cuff that it's a non-issue. As far as I'm concerned now it is unquestionably a non-issue because, unless I'm unaware of it, I've never really suffered any ill because of immigrants, legal or otherwise.

    I can see where it's plausible that illegal immigration
  • if you have any kinds of feelings about protecting wildlife and natural resources along the border, it affects you. by not having an effective way for people to come into the country legally, they are taking their own routes and destroying some very beautiful country in the process.

    a large part of the crystal meth in the u.s. comes here illegally from mexico. this has had a huge impact upon my life and family.

    my insurance rates are directly impacted by the large number of people who live a
    • You make some very good points but I think the last thing most immigration critics are concerned about is the safety of the people running across the border. Many would like to see an electric fence, automatic lasers or trained killer alligators in the Rio Grande.

      If people are allowed to participate without fear of deportation I'm sure they'll get insurance and pay taxes, the drug problem is a different discussion.

      I just think that the benefits are huge in comparison to the disadvantages, without immigrants
      • There are very, very few immigration critics. There are vast numbers of illegal immigration critics- and these critics include the illegal immigrants themselves. There is a movement by some to paint this as an issue of immigration vs. no immigration and the reality could not be further from the truth.

        As I've said in other posts, this is really an extremely complicated issue and the status quo is untenable for everyone involved. Those trying to come here and those already here. And it is critic
  • ..been directly affected by illegal immigration, but I do not have any problem with closing the border down to the point where we can funnel people to areas where they can register and we can know who is here. Unless any of our families have been in the USA for a very long time this was done to our relatives at Ellis Island. Those that were very sick or had criminal backgrounds were denied entry. Why did we ever stop?
    • I don't know why we stopped, but a cursory review of my life indicates to me that no harm came of it (as far as I can tell, anyway), so I'm unclear on why additional resources should be funneled into re-starting such a program.

      Much of the argument generally relies on the stance "it's illegal, so it should be stopped", but there are a lot of things in this country that are illegal for dubious reasons as they don't actually cause any sort of significant or measurable harm (the perennial whipping-boy for "why
  • My boss is from Cuba, and he's not a very good supervisor.

    Of course, if it were possible to send people back to Cuba, then I would have to do all of the hard stuff at work.
    • If he made it to the US shore then he's not illegal, had he been caught at sea his ass would be Castro's. We need us some national guards men along those shores.
  • When I worked at the county health department, a significant problem was illegals having babies. If the pregnant mom can sneak across the border and wait until she is in labor before presenting herself to an emergency room, her child will be born on USA soil, and thus is a US Citizen.

    We don't deport citizens (duh). Nor the mom, when the child is a helpless newborn.

    A citizen (and mom) is eligible for AFDC until age 18. Back in the mid 1980's, it was about $14,000 per year.

    Now I live 300+ miles from the Me

    • Yeah, that rule and the one for Cubans that are only allowed to stay if they make it on shore are a bit odd.
      • I re-read my post, and think it came off a little harsh. For the record, I'm 100% in favor of legal immigration (my grandfather was a legal immigrant). Back in his day, there was a means test - an applicant had to have $500, and have a sponsor family. (I think $500 back then was more like $2,000 now.) Doesn't seem like too onerous a requirement. My grandfather was 16 years old at the time, and had to work a cruise ship for travel over here - but he made it.

        I had a co-worker here on a H1-B visa. He said tha

  • filibertos

    everyone else talks about deportation, citizenship status, etc ... but, if you get those things, and it fucks with my rolled tacos at fili-bees, you're going to have a problem on your hands ... ME

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