Comment Re:4Chan toy store? (Score 1) 171
It isn't a false equivalence (because it is the first of three equal cases, to wit, ways we "protect the children") and it doesn't suggest 4chan is a toy store at all. By focusing on that sentence you allow the conversation to be quickly siderailed.
It is a false equivalence. Other than gambling, everything on that list is something physical that causes physical harm. Gambling is psychologically addictive for some people, and can cause psychological harm. Free speech is neither physical nor psychologically addictive. Lumping free speech in with gambling, alcohol, smoking, or dangerous toys is pathologically dubious to the point of being insulting to anyone with common sense.
But the only way you can break the "think of the children" argument is by undercutting the claims that free speech harms children in similar ways.
The sentence is true, and does not say that 4chan sells toys.
I never said it did. I said it gave a false equivalence between protecting children from free speech and protecting children from dangerous toys, dangerous substances, and environments that feed addictions.
It says this is one way we think of the children, then the statement continues on to list a couple more ways they claim to do that, to suggest that further erosion of privacy is justified because "Won't somebody think of the children." Your argument that nobody should point out that they are playing upon emotions to achieve a different goal than they claim because people will fall for it anyway is lazy and irresponsible. Nobody ever won a game by saying there is no point in playing because they won the last three quarters.
No my argument is that you can't win by pointing out that they're playing on emotions, because it is precisely that playing on emotions that shuts people's brains down, and it won't come back up just because you point out that they're playing on someone's emotions, because nobody likes to admit that they got played, so they will double down by default rather than feel stupid by recognizing the truth in your words. This is a mistake that a lot of politicians make, and it usually results in them losing.
The only way you can win is by making it pointing out how stupid the comparison itself is. By doing that, you cut the knees out from under the emotional part argument, so that the reader doesn't feel stupid, but rather a bit betrayed. And you give the reader the opportunity to feel smarter than the original author for recognizing the truth in how bad the original author's argument is, and now the emotional argument no longer carries any weight.
That or counter with a stronger think-of-the-children argument that is pro-free-speech.