Yes it makes use of the thumbwheels, but that's missing the point. You have to go to the touch screen first before being able to do ANY of that. Sure, it's fine once you're in that mode for the scrollwheels, but getting there is completely obnoxious when you're also trying to drive.

Go to the screen...menu -> controls -> mirror icon. Adjust one. Fumble with screen to select the other mirror, adjust.

On my Mazda3 and every other car I've owned it's a selector switch and a joystick on the door. Very intuitive and within easy reach without ever looking at it. They've been that way since the 80s when power mirrors came to the masses. My '85 Celica had the same setup.

AC? If it's not in the little controls in the bottom corner you have to flip-up the larger control screen, and do weird pinchy things with your fingers to adjust the vents, looking at the screen while driving. Fumble for the fan speed at the bottom of the screen. Try to slide around to adjust the temperature at the bottom of the screen.

Compare to conventional car with knobs where you can take one glance at where your hand is going and do it by feel.

There are reasons why certain things are the way they are. It's because a company spent a LOT of time doing ergonomic studies and trials. I hate it when people throw out all that work in lieu of something else just because it's different, without a lot of thought and study first. It's putting the cart before the horse.

"OK, what would you do if you couldn't have any buttons, how could you make it suck less?" I feel they're working backwards from 'terrible' to 'only mostly terrible'. Not much of an improvement.

She wanted it, and she actually likes it. I found it ridiculous when I drove it, but she likes all the creature comforts. More power to her, I just avoid it. I think I'm a more of a driver-centric experience sort of person. She likes all the bling and frilly features and does not drive as much as I do.

2. Every phone mounting solution is janky shit and looks like janky shit. If I was still 16 and it was a beater from Craigslist, sure - but neither are the case.

I use the Quadlock system in my car same as on my motorcycle....with magnetic charging.

Works great, secure quick mounting and detaching the phone when leaving either vehicle.

On the bike it's on the handlebars obviously, but for there car I got a windshield mount that holds it and it works great!!!!

Me? I like my big iPhone, but I only replace them ever 6 years or so....so, with the cost spread out over that long, it isn't really $$.

My 2017 car doesn't have CarPlay...but no big deal, I just use Bluetooth to stream Spotify to the cars OEM head unit....plays great.

If I need to use maps, My phone is right there in easy vision and can still be playing tunes while giving me directions.

...the newer ones that also tend to have better functioning voice driven commands.

I do NOT want to talk to my fucking car.

Hell I can't stand phone assistance that tries to make me talk to the computer.

The only time I want to be talking to my car is when I'm cursing it fucking up, or the damned traffic situation at the time if it isn't moving at speed....

Given some of the places I drive, a pure EV is not an option for me ...

Amish communities?

Southeast in the US.....

Hell last time I used the app to look for public charging stations in New Orleans.....there were precious few.

Most of the ones on the app were private ones....

I"d really not want to be stuck with an EV just before or after a Hurricane when power can be out for a month or more easily.....

You can drive gas in....but it's not so easy to drive batteries in to re-fuel your car, even if you had a widespread public EV charging infrastructure down here.

I am thankful I have a car that is till majority populated with physical switches, buttons and dials I can operate 98% from muscle memory without having to take my eyes off the road....of if I do it is usually a second or less.

I prefer 2 seater sports cars, that's all I've had my life to date.....I like analog gauges, manual transmission and all.

Frankly if they could come out with a simple car like in my youth....a '78 280Z type car...simple transmissions, I was more than able to deal with crank windows....that thing ran forever, simple and fun to drive while I owned it.

No worrying about telemetry, no computer needs....I mean I'll be happy with it to have Bluetooth so I can stream Spotify to it, but other than that, just keep analog controls, and as little computer as possible.

Cars like that, can last multiple decades with a little care.....and I pretty much only want my distractions to driving to be when the stereo starts playing "Highway to Hell" or the like....and I start head banging while driving down the highway...a little faster.

Everything in this space lately has been a huge turnoff. Modern cars were never so physically capable, safe, and smooth handling, and yet they are absolute garbage in the human interface department. Giant touchscreens and gadgets are the equivalent of chrome and giant tailfins gone amok in the 1950s.

Quite happy with my 2016-era Mazda with a basic infotainment setup, bluetooth to my phone which has everything I need. My truck that I use to haul things occasionally is 26 years old. I have a bluetooth to cassette adapter in that one (a lawful-evil wedding of technology) and yet it works fine.

The wife has a Tesla, and while it has an amazing powertrain, it is just so aggravating to interface with in so many ways. No buttons for the mirrors. No buttons for the wiper. (there's one button on the end of a stalk to activate the wiper+spray automatic thing) If you leave the auto-wiper on it randomly activates and smears the windshield in the driest of weather. The door handles are terrible. The lack of any kind of physical controls for climate and entertainment is terrible. It is super distracting to try to do anything while driving. It calls home to mother and reports on everything you're doing. The auto dimming mirror, like all auto-dimming mirrors, doesn't dim enough nor when you want it to. The adaptive cruise control constantly slams on the brakes on highways with grade level intersections or if you're coming up on a hump on a road that hasn't been graded flat. The insurance is sky high. The tires wear out quickly due to the weight, and are very expensive. Anything saved in gas is made up for in those other things.

You can see where they had all these ideas and just didn't think them through. Whereas traditional auto manufacturers understand a lot of these things and even on their electric offerings still have plenty of physical buttons and not-ridiculous interface peculiarities. I got a ride in a friend's Hyundai Ioniq5 a little ago and it was great. Felt like a regular car with lots of buttons. But they are priced as such that any savings in gas is made up for in the overall cost of ownership of the car. So you're not doing it for that, you're doing it just to have the other features of an electric car or feel better about yourself. I don't feel it's worth it for that. My cars are paid for and the daily driver is absurdly cheap to fuel and maintain, so I'll stick with it until some sanity returns to the modern car market. (unlikely...)

No, but our aerospace industry learned a lot of useful things about how to operate in space. We can't be risk free if we want to make progress. In order to learn you have to fail sometimes; If we, the taxpayers, insisted on a refund that would likely put this company out of business and a lot of the learning would be lost.

So..what exactly are we learning for $30M?

How to fuck up a launch/deployment of a low orbing space craft?

Haven't we been in space long enough to learn those lessons?

Yes I'm a bit sarcastic....but seriously, what learning are we getting from our $30M.

If this company sucks....should they NOT go out of business and open bids up to more qualified companies for next shots?

From the State House to the US House, Byron has a proven record of standing up for our values. From defending Second Amendment rights, to protecting life, and to keeping radical woke ideology out of schools, Byron will always fight the Left's agenda.

What's inflammatory about that statement?

My question is....

Do we, the US taxpayers get a $30M refund from this company that could not complete their end of the contract?

When you have to cite a decade old model, you're not proving your point, you're proving mine

Sorry...I've never considered it to be "old" as a car....

A strange game.

The only winning move is not to play....

Is that an indirect way of saying you spend an inordinate amount of time and money performing maintenance on your old clunker to keep it running? Cars haven't sold with CD players for a really long time.

I know a 2017 Mazda that still has a factor CD player in it.

And then again, often people put new stereos in cars...aftermarket, etc.

I wonder how many fatalities "Radar Love" has racked up over the many years it's been out?

I have to admit, my foot to this day gets VERY heavy when that song comes on...among some other choice "driving" songs.....

If you let out apartments and houses, you're also going to have to make your properties "greener', or you get penalized in some way. For instance in Belgium you can't raise rent with inflation unless your property reaches a certain level of compliance.

Glad we don't have to deal with that type of overregulation over here in the US.

I mean, it's great if a property owner wants to do it and it is feasible for them.....but I don't like the govt mandating crap like that.