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Comment Re:Better be ready to be beat up when layed off wo (Score 1) 537

Go to neighborhoods dominated by Section 8 housing. A large percentage of the population there has free housing and food? This will be live under a Universal Basic Income. Are the people in these neighborhoods happy? Content? Are they filling up their free time with hobbies, taking care of their neighborhood? Living a kumbaya life? No.

The above iis true in white neighborhoods and black; in the US and elsewhere.

UBI solves the problem of starvation and homelessness but there is much more to the equation then those two factors.

Sex Ed has nothing to do with it. There has been one study and documentaries after another showing that ignorance and access of reproductive measures have nothing to do with it. (At least not in the US in the last 20+ years.) People (read women) make a conscious choice to have children they can't affortd.

Comment Re:What about cutting down full time to 32 hours a (Score 1) 537

I say this as someone who sees 20 year olds having babies, on section 8 and still can't pay their rent, but have 60" tvs, xboxes and stay at home all day doing nothing.

I see them, know some of them by name, know they don't have a job, know they aren't going to school; know they are just hanging out.

Go to Far Rockaway, East New York, Red Hook. Assuming you're a new yorker :-)

Comment Re:Inflation or Rally? (Score 3, Insightful) 254

Nobody - especially religious people brought Jesus into the equation.

Remember the shovel ready jobs? Never happened. The monies went to cronies - whether it was Bank of America or the teacher's union. The monies did not go to infrastructure.

Trump and Republicans are going to capitalize on the Democrats foolish aversion to pipelines, fracking and drilling. (Yes it ought to be regulated and yes no eminent domain atrocities and yes monies need to be put into escrow for potential damages)

But the jobs; the hopes for even more jobs; the defunding of the Saudi religious nuts and the good will (in the US flyover states) may very well hurt the Democrats for quite a while. If labor joins the Republicans because the Democrats have deserted them then ... the balance of power will have been changed.

Comment Re:Better be ready to be beat up when layed off wo (Score 1) 537

I don't disagree with your points. The economy has become sclerotic and it's very difficult to get ahead.

I see Universal Basic Income as important. It solves the problems of starvation and homelessness. But ... then what?

As one poster says this provides even more reason for humanity to go to space. Once again we'll have a "wild west" to provide an outlet for people who don't have a place in the existing societal structure.

But, baring that? The only thing I can see is having less people. And not by genocide, war or other such horrors but by providing incentive to not have kids.

Give people "x" to not have kids? What is "x"? I don't know. $100,000? more. Something besides money? I don't know.

Comment Re:Better be ready to be beat up when layed off wo (Score 1) 537

Supporting oneself putting food on the table whether a paycheck or from gardening, husbandry, hunting gives many people a sense of pride. Too many people ignore the self-worth that comes from doing something. Getting an apartment and food doesn't seem to give people a good sense of self, and this seems to be not only in the USA - but take a look at France and Germany where immigrants get housing and food. And yet. ... Discontent is rife.

Food and housing are not a cure all.

Re McDonalds as a stepping stone -- all entry level jobs are just that; whether you work as a cashier at a liquor store, stocking shelfs at bookstore or driving cab to earn cash as student. No. it will not help you get a job at Google or Apple but it's an entry-level job.

I'm not saying Universal Basic Income won't be necessary - only that it is not a cure all.

Nor am I saying it's a matter of keeping people busy. No. Not at all. I'm saying that

1.people thrive on having a sense of purpose.
2. UBI will solve the problems of homelessness and starvation but it will not solve the problem of self-worth; self-worth.

Work does fill that role. Now, when that role is gone - then what. I personally would have no problem coming up with a million wonderful things to do. But - take a look at what happens to people when they retire. How many slowly fade away; doing nothing; becoming less every day. And this is not a function of age but of lack of purpose.
br Is my word "purpose" the right one? Maybe not. I'm still trying to figure out how best to describe this.

Comment Re:Better be ready to be beat up when layed off wo (Score 1) 537

I don't see any evidence of this claim,

I think it's a major source of discontent around the globe. (More complicated discussion than we can cover here.)

The purpose is supporting oneself; being an independent, self-sufficient person, making his way in the world. And no being a fry cook at McDonalds probably does not serve that purpose for that many people. But, I think McDonalds work has value as a stepping stone. It's a start.

Re the wealth - Universal Basic Income will never provide the lifestyle options and panache that the wealth have. The panache gives a false sense of superiority but even if you pull that away UBI will never (or at least not in the foreseeable future) give it's recipients luxury apartments, travel to destinations the world over, access to the best restaurants, etc...)

I'm glad you're OK with eliminating welfare payments that come for having more children. And I agree we should remove tax incentives for all breeders.

Re investment in women. We do that in the US. More difficult in Syria and Saudi Arabia.

Comment Re:Better be ready to be beat up when layed off wo (Score 1) 537

I know that many people are concerned and think that we need more people. But do we?

One of the reasons people have been so fond of immigration is to have an ever increasing work force. But what happens when there is no work.

No truck drivers.
No cabbies.
No cashiers.
Shelf stocking jobs are reduced to 5% of the current work force.

And let's not forget white collar jobs, attorneys, financial planners, bank clerks, librarians, etc...

Comment Re:Better be ready to be beat up when layed off wo (Score 1) 537

I hope you're right. But I don't think so.

We see a universal basic income in France and we don't have a rosy outcome. Immigrants have been given free housing and food and yet ... discontent is rife; despair consumes entire communities and hatred and violence are outcomes. And yet. They have a roof over their heads and food to eat. Where is the entrepreneurship? the art?

Why can't we point to the them as an example of how well the universal basic income works?

If it was simply a case of "racism" then why are white, educated french people leaving france in droves?

Comment Re:Better be ready to be beat up when layed off wo (Score 1) 537

Absolutely. No question about that. That holds true for the world over. Population rates have dropped fast. And yet ... what happens when industrialization means that a billion plus people are put out of work?

What happens when we don't need truck drivers, taxi drivers, when kiosks remove a large portion of cashier jobs; when stores don't need people to stock the shelves; when Amazon and other retailers don't need people to box items? And let's not forget all the other industries which require less and less labor - construction is a prime example but it includes law and financial planning as well.

This will be a very bad problem and we need to start talking about how people need to be able to afford to have children. More people is not necessarily a good thing. Killing people, incarcerating, warehousing (Universal Basic Income) are not necessarily the answer.

All I can think of is having less children and the best way to continue this trend is to not give financial help when you have children.

But think about the children!! They didn't ask to be born. Why should we punish them?

We shouldn't. We should then do what? I propose to provide incentives to NOT have children and to remove the financial incentives that exist in order to have children.

Comment Re:Better be ready to be beat up when layed off wo (Score 1) 537

Trust-fund babies, by definition, have parents that can afford them. But you raise a good point they do not cause more trouble than the general population.

The flaw in the argument is that a basic universal income will not provide enough money to vacation in hotspots around the world; have 10,000 square foot apartments in NYC high rises and villas in Monte Carlo and Palm Springs.

You will have an apartment, in NYC that will be 350-550 square feet; basic furnishings; and enough food to live. Sweet.

Then what?

Comment Re:Better be ready to be beat up when layed off wo (Score 1) 537

. Our current economic system is what prevents that since they have to make enough money to live

I disagree with this part. Providing for yourself and your family is a purpose that provides self-respect and a sense of well-being.

This was true 1000 years ago and is true today.

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