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We must not Respect other peoples Religious beliefes only allow them their rights to freely practice them (so long as they are within the law and do not harm other people).
You are all free to think my religious beliefs are bunkum and to point it out to me if you so wish(please stop telling me in person if I ask though) . I wish to be granted the same right.

I will in no way ever try to impede someone freedom of religion and I will stop people who try to .I however wish to have the freedom to comment and criticise it as I see fit , as should all people have these rights.

I am sick fed up of politicians saying that the Muhammad cartoons were an embarrassment and that they wish people would respect others religious beliefs .
Lets put this on the table , Christianity is Blasphemous to Judaism and Islam , Islam is blasphemous to Judaism and Christianity , Judaism is blasphemous to Christianity and Judaism .
There is no way to avoid that
Respect
noun 1 a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements
No , I don't feel that , and I don't see why I should . Just as I do not expect those of these faiths to respect my beliefs .
Accept my rights to them and my rights to practice freely , that is all.
If you agreed with my religious persuasions then you would be part of my religion .
The Danes are free to print comics about Muhammad , Any Islamic country should be free to post pictures about Jesus or Mosha if they desire.

We can not discriminate based on religion , but we should never be forced to respect another religion.
I will be damned if I will ever respect scientology and I see little difference between that and Islam.

Screw respect , we need acceptance .
Tolerance is a better word , as you can not force someone to believe something or to think a specific way.
We can however stop them aggressively attacking people for their thoughts.

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  • you know how i feel about some of the religious stuff, but you said what i've tried to say, but I said it much less articulately. well done sir. :D
  • Nice entry sir. The idea that because something is a 'heart-felt' religious belief that it should automatically be respected is a bit silly. Surely religion should be expected to earn respect like everyone else.

    Your point about conflicting religions is a good one. If you believe in a religion then you have to believe that your religion is the correct choice and the others are wrong. It's difficult to respect someone when you know they're completetely wrong. Tollerance is still possible though.
    • Beer fuels intelligent rants ;)
      You need balls to say something like that in this day and age , and beer is that balls.
      I did however remove the part saying Muhammad was a shyster and Jesus was a fraud IMHO
      Just as Muslims think I am a fool , i think they are , all is fair .
  • Respect is not only defined as one of deep admiration. It can also be defined as, "The state of being regarded with honor or esteem."

    Pointing out flaws in anything is not a sign of disrespect. However, the cartoons were, as the State Department put it, unnecessarily inflammatory, which they were. They were intended to be so. And being inflammatory is a sign of disrespect. For example, I could flame your opinion now, but that would be disrespectful. Rather, I pursue a calm and collected disagreement as a sig
    • There are regular anti-semitic(as in Jewish) TV shows and cartoon regularly on Certain Arab TV channels and papers.
      We just get disgusted and lower our opinions of those who do them and enjoy them.
      It is about freedom , you have the freedom to make an arse of yourself in a non violent way.
      Don't get me wrong , I thought the cartoons were terrible.
      However , unlike a few people , I have read the original article (though my Danish is awful , so I had to translate most of it automatically)
      The cartoons were there t
      • Indeed, there are many an anti-Semitic thing in Arab media. And we should be disgusted.

        Yes, the cartoons were there to support the article and the article delved into the difficulties, to put it mildly, Islamists, as opposed to Muslims, have with criticism. The cartoons were thus made to be inflammatory to prove that very point, as well as to show that the Danes valued their freedom. All well and good, but the question remains: were they exceedingly inflammatory?

        Louis Farrahkhan? Almost none I imagine. But
        • Tolerance is putting up with , and that is what we should do , to respect is to understand and accept

          respect |r??sp?kt| noun 1 a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements : the director had a lot of respect for Douglas as an actor. the state of being admired in such a way : his first chance in over fifteen years to regain respect in the business. due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of others : respect for human rights
          • As I suggested, no religion should have to earn it, for they are belief systems. By promoting respect for all religions, we promote understanding and acceptance. Given that everyone has a religion, albeit not all are traditional or institutionalized, this promotes understanding globally.

            Without respect, religions are barriers. If you respect another team, another country, another household, there would be little incentive to attack them. Tolerance doesn't remove these man-made barriers; respect does. That i
            • Do you respect Scientologists or the Jones town group .. or the Branch davidians
              • Perhaps not entirely, as I haven't been exposed to them as much as I should have. But I should, to the extent that I understand them and accept them for what they are.

                It is still possible for me to debate their various problems or issues (in fact, making it easier if they are understood), and mockery is still acceptable inasmuch as it is a form of criticism rather than insult.

                Thus, I can say L. Ron Hubbard was out of his damn mind, but as a religion, it is no more or less rational than Catholicism or Hindui
  • How so? Jesus was a Jew. Seems He was rather a threat to the earthly establishment, though...
    • Rejection of Christ as saviour .
      Has been a point of contention for a long time
      • Yeah, but there are Messianic Jews, too, so the case is no' so clear, sir.
        Besides, there is plenty of room for sober theological discussion without bringing the blasphemy bludgeon to bear.
        • ;) The Messianic Jews all get excommunicated and labelled as evangelical Christians According to the Chief rabbinate they are mostly not Jews and just evangelicals (Something strictly banned in Judaism) .

          Not that I ever agree with the Chief Rabbi , but he does have a point here
          • That's OK, I turn an equally skeptical eye to the Pontifex Maximus [wikipedia.org]
            In some unreachable alternate universe, we may be equal. Or not. ;)
            • ;) I think all Christians who are good people get into the afterlife , as do all good Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists etc.
              On that note , Anyone caught agreeing with the pope is confused most of the time heh.
              Though JP2 did a few good things , he did really improve Catholic Jewish Relations and basically said not to try and convert Jews as the covenant still stands.
              • Oh, I think we all get a debrief with the Almighty, and two things that I don't take much more than academic interest in are:
                --the unknowable dispositions of others with respect to the Almighty
                --ideas less complete and perfect than the Messiah.
                • E-l is beyond our understanding , so no point trying to , but living a good life should work .
                  As for a Messiah , I am Reform in my views , I see the Messiah as more of an Era rather than specific person .
                  To be of the line of David I understand as to be a just and fair rule , rather than a specific ruler .
                  • >but living a good life should work
                    On what basis do you base this? Or, having trotted out a universe, why should the Almighty care fig #1 for us?

                    >I see the Messiah as more of an Era rather than specific person
                    Ah, yes, the challenge between symbolic verses literal interpretation.

                    >To be of the line of David I understand as to be a just and fair rule , rather than a specific ruler .
                    Where I become worried, both within my own house of worship, and when considering others, is the point where we
                    • I am a man of text and interpretation , blowing off previous knowledge is like the old saying "To deny history is to doom yourself to repeat it".
                      Literal interpretation is dangerous , anyone claiming to follow a pure literal sense is in trouble if they do not Stone the adulterous etc.

                      Whilst I am mainly reform (Due to my positions on homosexuality etc.) I follow a rather Maimonodien principle . So am rather orthodox in that sense .
                      Mosha ben Mainmon took the text and delved deeply to come to answers things whi
                    • >Literal interpretation is dangerous
                      well put
                      blowing off previous knowledge is like the old saying "To deny history is to doom yourself to repeat it".
                      also true
                      Tradition can be quite a cage. I view it dimly where the Pontifex Maximus is concerned (I like to call the Pope that, because the youngest electee to the office was none other than Julius Caesar, which makes an important statement IMHO).
                      OTOH, my societal views aren't terribly modern.
                      >So come to your own conclusion , but back them up
                      Kores [wikipedia.org]
                    • No one is beyond questioning , an important lesson .
                      Even Avraham Questioned the acts of G-d and had g-d change a position , Which is how I see the story of Sodom and Gomorra as opposed to the Conservative view
                    • > No one is beyond questioning , an important lesson .
                      Mortal, anyway. Many a man "wrestles with God", but a dislocated hip would be the gentlest outcome imaginagle. Possibly I'm a coward.
                      >had g-d change a position
                      Boss, I'm just not sure I'm tracking you there. The patriarch was able to stay the execution long enough to fetch Lot out. Lot's wife looked back, and snuffed it. Unclear where policy regarding 'that which does not glorify the Creator' actually altered, then or ever.
                    • but the fact that he questioned the decision is important . Perhaps the Big man had said hmm I could do two things . lets let Avraham decide
                      And again he went to see if he had the balls
                    • Oh, absolutely: Avraham's spiritual development was crucial to the events.
                      Whether or not the clay successfully alters the potter, now...that is a separate question.
                    • Perhaps it was a cosmic Jam session
  • Judaism is blasphemous to Christianity and Judaism

    I figure it's just a result of your afformentioned drunkeness. But Judaism being blasphemous to Judaism? Is that related to the self-loathing Jew stereotype? Or is it a sectarian thing?
    • ;) ever try and get two rabbis to agree on something.
      The miracle at the Red sea was not the parting of the reed sea , but the fact 600,000 Jews went in the same direction at the same time
      • Or, as I heard the Rabbi say "Two Jews, three opinions."
        But: is argument for its own sake worthwhile?
        • Without argument you can not affirm your views . You need to hear both sides to truly understand either .
          Just as for their to be good their must be an understanding of evil (the Fable of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil) .
          You gain no respect for doing only what you know to do ,like breathing , if you don't do it you die , so you know you must.
          nothing is gained if you do so out of fear.

          To truly understand your position you must hear both sides , I challenge you to find any position that was not improve

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