They're still going to be bullshit nobody can trust.

I don't see that as a huge problem - it isn't that hard to filter.

We run a hook that looks for secrets on push. It takes an admin to fix a false positive; that happens less than once a year. (We have a working population of about 800 engineers committing.)

Presumably OAI would care a lot less about false positives than we do (we don't want to throw away work product; OAI just wants masses of human output), so I expect they could err towards omission, not lose much on false positives and be pretty sure they're not training on anyone's secrets.

You seem to believe this is still a country of laws. That's only illegal if the money flows to Democrats.

Planes, crypto, buckets of cash - well, when King Shitlizard does it, it isn't illegal, and will stomp on you if you disagree in public.

First, yeah.

Second, These disgusting, shitheel wastes of skin seem to be doing it correctly - see 28 USC 4104, I think.

I hope they all die of an embarrassing skin condition right after winning.

The easy explanation is, "marketing".

But if you squint the right way, it isn't quite a lie.

Textbook definitions of "security" in an IT context tend to emphasize integrity, confidentiality, and availability. I suspect if pressed they'd emphasize "availability" and maybe "integrity" - they hired some dude to swap backup tapes and replicate to distributed DCs, and the average Windows user does not.

Of course that comes at the cost of "confidentiality", which they'll downplay.

Thank you for joining Microsoft Mindcropper, where we generously share our software with you at affordable rates and you share your every thought with us. If you continue to pay your rent, we will continue to allow you to access them.

Yep.

And the predictable second-order effects should be interesting.

First you'll see OAI and others immediately write filters to ban talking about anything vaguely close to the topic.

Some kid will discover open models and we'll have a repeat, or something close.

War will be declared on open models similar to earlier "bad software" panics like Napster.

Eventually, a combination of costs, marketing and government steering will ensure consumer AI is "safe" and can't compete with the offerings businesses and "responsible" professions get access to.

Another IT manager here. Who the fuck are you talking about?

The 20-somethings we're hiring are no more entitled than they were 10 years ago, are just as technically clueless, and if anything, seem a bit more well-adjusted and mature than my cohort ever was.

I heard a peer at my firm saying something similar recently, and I asked him for specifics. He hires Windows people, so I thought maybe there was some difference. No, he admitted, it was more of a vibe he had, partially about people in his kid's school.

This is just old people being old and cranky. I don't understand a lot of kids' jokes either, get the fuck over yourself. You enjoyed confusing the olds at that age, too.

not a good look

I don't understand how two states (or regions, if you will) at war (or at "special military operations", if you will) with each other, would also trade with each other. That's because you're thinking of them as singular entities in conflict with each other. That's an abstraction, not reality.

In reality, you're talking about large collections of individuals with their own agency, that points in all sorts of different directions. Patriots who think like you think they should, traitors who are with the adversary, folks who will play both sides, lots of folks who have no strong opinions other than not wanting to die.

I do hope you and the four others can hold out.

More seriously, I know there are sincere, principled folks well to the right of me, currently disaffected by this madness, too. I do hope we can find enough common ground to get through this with something like a free country to disagree about later.

I was mostly referring to a large number of folks who used to parrot such things when convenient, only to shuck it when they think they get to be the ones piloting the black helicopters. It is a genuinely sad/funny thing, quoting a family member back to them a few years later.

This chump was a total amateur.

Apple has such a consistent track record of ruining people for this that I'm surprised people keep trying to do it, but this person is so clueless I wonder if they even knew that.

At the very least, if I were going to try to walk secrets out, I wouldn't be googling about trivial details like "do file sharing servers keep logs" from a system I didn't destroy the media on immediately after. More generally, if your target has spent decades practicing being secretive and has the budget of a medium-sized country, I'd recommend a bit more prep work on a caper like this.

The "free speech and free markets" brigade sure has been quiet lately.

I guess they're too busy crossing out parts of their pocket-constitutions.

Oh, the landlords will get their lease payments. Your D&B credit rating will hit the crapper the moment you break the lease. And if you negotiated five years and even layed off the employees youâ(TM)ll still be paying for that space.

I used to go. I've been part of two different camps, volunteered, and worked different roles on a few different projects that burned, exploded or both, and other stuff.

I look at those reddit threats and shake my head. People, building for temporary human habitation on-playa has been a solved problem for a long time. You can do it in a number of different ways at a number of different price points, and none of them involve making several-hundred-square-foot kites of out tarps and trying to hold them down with anchors you drove in wrong.

I'm all for "Safety Third" and "Keep Burning Man Potentially Fatal", but stupid is boring.