DaytonCIM's Journal: What a crock of...

The born-again Xian asshats(R) are at it again:

Haggard now "completely heterosexual"

DENVER - One of four ministers who oversaw three weeks of intensive counseling for the Rev. Ted Haggard said the disgraced minister emerged convinced that he is "completely heterosexual."

- and now ready to persecute those who aren't heterosexual! Cause you got to hate the SIN and not the SINNER! -

Haggard also said his sexual contact with men was limited to the former male prostitute who came forward with sexual allegations, the Rev. Tim Ralph of Larkspur told The Denver Post for a story in Tuesday's edition.

"He is completely heterosexual," Ralph said. "That is something he discovered. It was the acting-out situations where things took place. It wasn't a constant thing."

- Yup. It was cause he was stressed and having a male prostitute relieved his special stress. -

Ralph said the board spoke with people close to Haggard while investigating his claim that his only extramarital sexual contact happened with Mike Jones. The board found no evidence to the contrary.

"If we're going to be proved wrong, somebody else is going to come forward, and that usually happens really quickly," he said. "We're into this thing over 90 days and it hasn't happened."

Haggard resigned as president of the National Association of Evangelicals last year after allegations of sexual misconduct surfaced. He was also forced out from the 14,000 New Life Church that he founded years ago in his basement after Jones alleged Haggard paid him for sex and sometimes used methamphetamine when they were together. Haggard, who is married, has publicly admitted to "sexual immorality."

Haggard said in an e-mail Sunday, his first communication in three months to church members, that he and his wife, Gayle, plan to pursue master's degrees in psychology. The e-mail said the family hasn't decided where to move but that they were considering Missouri and Iowa.

- Not California? Really? Damn... -

Another oversight board member, the Rev. Mike Ware of Westminster, said the group recommended the move out of town and the Haggards agreed.

"This is a good place for Ted," Ware said. "It's hard to heal in Colorado Springs right now. It's like an open wound. He needs to get somewhere he can get the wound healed."

- Translation: he needs to go somewhere where people don't really know that he had sex with men over and over and over and over and shot up speed to have more sex with men. After he finds a place where the Xians don't know him, he can open another church and pilfer more funds and find cleaner male prostitutes to fuck. -

It was also the oversight board that strongly urged Haggard to go into secular work.

Have you seen Jesus Camp?

[bethanie]

Good documentary [imdb.com]. And I *mean* "DOCUMENTARY."

....Bethanie....

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[RailGunner]

..the same way Michael Moore uses the term Documentary.

Why are you so hostile towards Christians? I know you aren't one, but why the hostility?

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[DaytonCIM]

Me? Because I didn't refer to Christians. I like Christians; and I am one for the most part. I don't like people who claim to be Christian only to gain access to your wallet.

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[RailGunner]

Not you; I was directing the question at Bethanie.
I don't have much use for the "Give me money, because if I don't get 7 million dollars by next week, Juh-HEEE-suss says I'll die" types either.

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[bethanie]

It is absolutely *not* a piece of docuganda in the style of Michael Moore and "Super Size Me" and at *least* a couple of anti-WalMart things I've seen. Those films give their viewers absolutely NO credit whatsoever for being able to think for themselves and arrive at their own conclusions based on simple evidence on its on merits.

That's what I found so remarkable about this particular film. I've gotten so accustomed to these pieces with HEAVY editorializing and a very specific slant... Jesus Camp was a co

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[RailGunner]

Is there a particular reason why you might consider my recommendation of the film as a hostile, anti-Christian remark?

Only in the context of other postings and JE's you've written. There seems to be a trend of derision and hostility aimed at Christians lately, and yes, I have seen "Jesus Camp", and there's quite a bit of things taken out of context, and a notable lack of explanation of "WHY" they do some of the things they do - not that I'm completely defending them, either. I should also point out that

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[bethanie]

I have absolutely no desire to discuss issues of faith -- mine or that of others -- with you, in public or in private.

....Bethanie....

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[RailGunner]

That's fine; and your reply answered my question.

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[btlzu2]

i'm pretty hostile towards christianity. but i like a whole ot of christians. so, it's sort of like love the sinner and not the sin. :)

i don't know your life experiences, but a LOT of folks feel brainwashed by even moderate christians for keeping their options limited and not promoting questioning of their faith. i would think if more people honestly questioned their faith and thought openly about the nature of the world, there'd be a whole lot more agnostics or atheists, but it's a self-perpetuating typ

Confusing

[TheConfusedOne]

Are you upset at "Christianity" as an entire group or some particular group/sect/type of Christians? Personally I'm not a big fan of some of the more aggressive sects that go door to door trying to save you but I'm not sure how you can think that say a Protestant == Catholic == Seven Day Adventist, etc.

This is where I feel Rail Gunner is coming from. Someone picks the most extreme example and then says "I hate Christians" because of it.

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[btlzu2]

that's why you're TheConfusedOne, right? :)

I think I can leave it at Christianity in general. I know, of course, a believer will never agree with me and I don't want to be provocative, so I have to leave it at that. I don't hate Christians. I'm angry at some of them (people who say evolution is not real for example and is "just a theory". Missing the difference between "hypothesis" and "theory". or people who slam homosexuals and then turn out to do drugs and "get massages" from gay prostitutes.) and ot

Thanks

[TheConfusedOne]

First, thanks for taking the time to give a detailed response.

I would note that you engage in the "extreme picking" when you complain about some groups who rail against evolution and a particular minister who turned out to be a scum bag.

Personally, I consider myself somewhere between "relaxed Protestant" and "agnostic" as far as the religious spectrum goes. I've seen some rather interesting arguments that put creationism and the birth of the universe and compare them favorably (mainly by not get stuck on "