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Comment Re:Turnkey totalitarianism (Score 2) 265

But to play devil's advocate here, by that time, Israel had also been whittling away at their territory for decades, illegally taking land from Palestinians and giving it to Israeli settlers, all while denying the Palestinians any real say in the matter. They also occupied parts of Palestinian territory militarily until 2005, IIRC.

I agree completely. As I said, Israel has a lot of sins to answer for. Apartheid is the correct word for how they treat Palestinians, with arrests for "looking Palestinian" and being held without any formal charges being common. And they've been condemned by the UN more than once for the land grabs, and rightly so.

Don't get me wrong here. I agree that terrorism isn't an appropriate way to handle that situation, and I agree that Israel has a right to defend itself. But the Palestinians being angry at Israel over the situation isn't *entirely* unreasonable, and Israel's repeated disproportionate responses create martyrs and enmity, which is a bad outcome.

The real problem is that both sides have a very strong vested interest in perpetuating the conflict. Israel needs that external threat to suppress their own internal dissent, or their political landscape would tear itself apart within a generation. And Palestinians don't exist at all outside of their victimhood. Without that, their Arab neighbors would be as fed up with them as the rest of the world, and once the money dries up, they cease to exist because "Palestinian" isn't an ethnic group, it's a political designation.

If Israel's Arab neighbors really wanted to destroy it, all they'd have to do is ignore it and watch it eat itself from within. But they, too, need Palestine as a dumping ground for their own violent internal dissenters.

The only practical solution that would actually end the eternal conflict would be genocide of both sides, and all the rest of the middle east, but that's not going to happen (and few would argue that it should).

Comment Re:Turnkey totalitarianism (Score 1) 265

Very interesting that you consider protecting civilians important, but only Israeli civilians.

Very interesting that you can't dispute what I said, so you lie about it. Very typical of the terrorist sympathizers.

Here's a recap, so you can lie some more:

I said that protecting Israeli civilians is more important than protecting Palestinian civilians to the IDF .

And that international law supports them on this.

And, once again, you have ignored that Hamas is the one committing the war crimes, and has been from the beginning, and continues to do so, and you will continue to do so as well.

You will now like about what I said again, because you can't refute it. You can't stop yourself.

Comment Re:Turnkey totalitarianism (Score 2) 265

Do you think it is IDF's moral responsibility to protect civilians?

Protecting civilians is their entire purpose. Protecting Israeli civilians. The current flare up started when Hamas terrorists killed over 700 Israeli civilians, and took 250 more hostage, after all. But you ignore that, don't you?

Protecting Palestinian civilians is secondary, at best. And when the Hamas terrorists are hiding behind those Palestinian civilians, it is Hamas who is committing the war crime. But you ignore that, as well.

Do you think they are doing reasonable job?

I don't know, and neither do you, since there is zero actual news coming out of either propaganda machine.

But if you believe for one second that IDF personnel are going to protect Palestinian civilians at the expense of Israeli civilians, of their own lives, then you're too stupid to function as an adult, and should be institutionalized for your own - and everyone else's - safety. Seriously. Get help. You need it.

Comment Re:Turnkey totalitarianism (Score 2) 265

But you don't, and won't - ever - talk about that, will you?

I absolutely will. Palestinians elected terrorist government that committed multiple war crimes and have a publicly stated goal of eradicating Israel. Israel is entitled to defend itself by retaliating proportionally. A lot of what happening right now in Gaza is well-deserved "find out" phase.

I would argue that Israel also elected a hard-line government (Netanyahu) that has repeatedly acted towards the Palestinians in a manner intended to subjugate them, limit their right to self-governance, limit their freedom of movement, etc.,.

Perhaps, after over half a century of Palestinians preaching - with guns and bombs - literal genocide, they're tired of it.

Israel has their share of sins to answer for, but the Palestinians begged for this. Many times.

Comment Re:Turnkey totalitarianism (Score 1) 265

Hamas has made not attempt to not hide behind civilian meat shields, which is never OK.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap. Hamas can end this at any time by surrendering. I suspect that if they released the remaining hostages, it would greatly reduce the fury with which Israel is pursuing it. Unless, of course, those hostages have been tortured, raped, and murdered while they were held.

Comment Re:Turnkey totalitarianism (Score 2) 265

So far as I can tell, any civilians being killed in Gaza are, indeed, war crimes - committed by Hamas hiding behind them. IDF may well be doing some bad things, too, but the war crimes responsibility is entirely with Hamas. They hide behind civilians because it's a war crime, and they know that gullible fools - or collaborators - like you will ignore it, and try to get everyone to focus on Israel's actions - which are specifically allowed by those same treaties.

Don't want your civilians killed? Don't use them as meat shields.

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