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What scares me most about this post is your +5 mod. I bet lots of those points came from folks who actually believe that.

Yes, I was wondering the same thing actually. I trust that the moderators, like you, understood what was being said. You did guys? Cool!

It's one of the few times where one would almost be more comfortable having one's post modded Troll by some irony deprived dullard ... :/

In other words, you're one sick puppy.

Thanks for the opinion Doc. But if you think I'm sick, you don't even want to hear about Jonathan Swift's ideas about what to do with Irish children.

You're not Canadian by any chance, are you?

No one have ever called me a sociopath, I didn't quote Nietzsche [sic] (whom I doubt you have ever read), and your sense of irony is somewhat underdeveloped.

After learning of this situation, he's probably curled up at the foot of James Clapper's bed, whimpering between gulps of Victory Gin.

We're really losing the argument here. The trouble is we came to a gun fight without so much as a knife, just a pen and paper.

Let me break it down for you: The reason you can't win arguments with Libertarian/Conservative types is you're arguing with the assumption that both you and they share a fundamental belief: That human beings have more than Intrinsic Value. e.g. that people are worth more than the raw output of their labor, simply by virtue of being living, breathing people.

The parent/grandparents here don't think that way. If you're labor is worth $25k/yr, then you get $25k/yr. The consequences of human misery are irrelevant, because at the end of the day just as Liberals find it morally reprehensible to let someone starve to death when there's plenty of food, Conservatives believe it's equally reprehensible to give them that food if they aren't able to generate enough labor value (for lack of a better term) for it.

Now, the smart Conservative will chime in that a rising boat lifts all tides (actually, it swamps all but the biggest boats, but I digress). And they'll have all manor of reasons why it doesn't matter that they don't believe a person's worth can be more than what they make per hour, but it won't change the cold hard facts.

Liberals, Don't bother arguing with them until you change their mind on this. If you can't get them to agree that people are worth more than how much they can beg, borrow or steal from their fellow man then you're wasting your time, and you'll lose any debate you start because you're not talking about the same things...

and not as human beings. As a laborer he might be worth only $25k/year. As a member of the Human Race, I think he's worth much more. That's why you and I will never agree. You think people only have intrinsic value. You're not considering the very real human misery your beliefs create (or if you are you dismiss them off hand with a wave of Ayn Rand's magic wand).

This does seem a great deal more educational.

Exactly. This teaches that living creatures, and one would hope by extension other humans, are properly controlled at our whim.

As I'm teaching my boys, the point of life is to get other people to do stuff that is against their interests and in yours. All this talk of dignity, human rights, liberty &c. is, as Nietzsche pointed out, merely the pathetic cry of the weak, whom it is the right of my offspring to manipulate and exploit. I wonder where I can get this for them -given the great educational value.

And they call me a sociopath ...

On the simple, rational thought that I don't want to live in a world where they are, because there are consequences? Seriously, that was all sorta implied from decades (centuries?) of literature, philosophy and law....

Automated driving would require a systematic overhaul, standardization, and maintenance of our local, state, and federal roadways. Given the current political climate in Washington, it seems more like a pipe dream.

Lying to a federal officer is a felony, not your local sheriff. However, lying or telling the truth to your local and state officer is likely to land you in a heap of trouble. Best not to speak at all.