A lot of other countries have single payer health care, and none of those laws exist in those countries. Preciously because we can afford to take care of people even if their health problems are their fault.
I don't get that slippery slope argument. Some Americans don't travel much, it seems.
I didn't say that any specific wars were a benefit to society. But having an actual national defense most certainly is. Are you saying that the military shouldn't exist in the first place?
There is no "reasonable compromise" on freedom.
Of course there is. There is. You're living in it. Sorry if you don't find life reasonable, but I'll conclude that's more a matter of your disfunctionality over objective reality.
Agreed, but it's a losing war to try and point out things in objective reality here. Not a lot of actual professional programmers around these parts.
Do you have teenagers? get one of them to go up to a homeless person and offer them the a few bucks and a few smoked to go buy them a pack of smokes.
You just described having to do additional work to get cirgarettes. Some teenagers don't feel comfortable doing that (nevermind having to give the homeless guy extra money just to do it.) - just as some kids don't feel comfortable sneaking into restricted movies by themselves.
The way some people talk, it's like no teenage on earth follows rules and laws out of principle, and that's just plain demonstrably incorrect.
nobody ever waited for their birthday to start smoking
Out of the millions and millions of people who have smoked, obviously, some people have. I know of several people personally. The same goes for drinking. Some kids felt comfortable doing something even if it was against the rules. Others felt uncomfortable breaking the rules, and thus didn't try smoking or drinking until they were of age.
I understand why they're linked - but you don't have the choice to do whatever you want. Certain choices are illegal, and sometimes it depends what age you are at when you make those choices. Do not make the fallacy that people fight in wars for the freedom to do literally anything you want free of legal consequence.
Maybe I should rephrase - the majority of the population doesn't see any benefit to society from smoking.
One thing is risky because it's dangerous to serve in the military to defend the geopolitical interests of your country, while the other thing is dangerous because it's a drug that carries significant health risks.
I don't see why you think you're being smart by appealing to treat these things the same way.
Vehicles are also very dangerous, but using vehicles provides a massive net benefit to society that cigarettes do not. It doesn't take a genius to understand why in actual fact, legally and socially, we view and legislate these activities differently.
When you say something, it doesn't make it true.
Actual data on the subject says otherwise. And even common sense points out why this is true. When you make it more difficult for people to get something, it shouldn't be surprising that overall usage goes down a certain amount as for some people, the inconvenience of acquiring that thing outweighs their desire to acquire it.
Nobody thinks it will stop smoking entirely. But it will reduce the amount of people who start smoking.
How about we forbid people ALL unhealthy behavior
Or in the real world of adults who don't poop their pants when discussing reasonable compromises on personal freedom, how about we set some reasonable compromises?
We collect some data, notice that when you raise the smoking age to 21, significantly less people start smoking when they're young, and call it a reasonable tradeoff on freedom to buy a product that is mostly known for being bad for you.
And we have laws on cars, extreme sports, and such. And those laws change over time, often times raising restrictions (and of course sometimes lowering them) when it's determined that it provides a benefit to overall safety and public health.
Humanity has the stars in its future, and that future is too important to be lost under the burden of juvenile folly and ignorant superstition. - Isaac Asimov