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Comment Re:An ode to wankery (Score 1) 846

I should also mention that if increased CO2 staves off the next Ice Age, it will be an enormous win

It's silly how far climate denialists reach trying to glob onto anything that remotely fits into the narrative they want to hear.

First of all, the ice age cycle is approximately fifty thousand years from now.
Secondly, entering or exiting an ice age involves a natural rate of change of of approximately one degree C per thousand years.
We're talking about a almost a degree C over the last hundred years and 2 to 5 degree C CO2-induced increase over the next hundred years. The rate of human induced warming is dozens of times faster than a catastrophic-level-natural-global-event such as entering or exiting an ice age.

You're basically saying that throwing a child down an elevator shaft today is a good thing because it might keep him from bumping his head when he becomes and adult.

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Comment Re:different than tic tac toe or connect 4? (Score 1) 136

The move sequence you posted does represent a valid example of perfect-play presuming a perfect opponent. However if we expand "perfect play" to mean perfect play vs a perfect opponent while also maximizing the real-world odds of winning, then your second X move is quite bad, chuckle. It presents the O player with a chain of blatant forced-block moves, forcing a tie.

A far stronger play sequence is X1, O5, X9.

This presents player O with an apparently free choice play. The choice boils down to playing in a corner or a side. Humans have an implicit knowledge that corner squares are more powerful than side squares. Furthermore the symmetry of the X1, O5, X9 board amplifies the reflex to play in the more symmetrical corner square. In my experience above-average-intelligence-humans have a greater than 95% likelihood of playing a corner move when facing that position! This leads to X playing a forced block in the opposite corner, and a win for X.

If O's second move is a side square then it leads to a trivial forced-block sequence draw. However human psychology makes it very hard for people to find that play without either a comical number of trial-and-error games, or a shockingly rare tactical analysis of the 159 position.

The human psychology kicks in even stronger after someone loses their first game to the 159 position. In subsequent games people will almost always associate the shocking loss with their first O-center move. In subsequent games they start exploring non-center opening moves for O. All non-center opening moves for O can be turned into a win for X. The extreme memorability of the initial shocking loss with the O-center opening means they avoid re-exploring it for a long time, and when they do try O-center again they almost inevitably repeat the mistake of playing in the corner, reinforcing their aversion to the O-center opening move.

Everyone knows that tic-tac-toe is a tie-game, but in practice almost no one actually knows how to reach a tie when playing O.

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Comment Re:An ode to wankery (Score 1) 846

Finally, I'll leave you with the words of a noted global warming proponent and researcher:
        "Pauses as long as 15 years are rare in the simulations, and âwe expect that [real-world] warming will resume in the next few years,â(TM) the Hadley Centre group writes. Researchers agree that no sort of natural variability can hold off greenhouse warming much longer." - Richard Kerr, Science (2009)
So, we'll see...2009 is already five long years in the past, and the pause shows no sign of stopping at this point...

What pause? The one you've been hearing about on denialist websites? How about instead of hearsay, we actually look at the data?

Green is the mean global temp for the last 15 years, red is the 15 year trend line

That's why you should get your information from legitimate scientists. The 15 year trend is warmer, as you can see from the global mean temperature data.

An additional point, legitimate scientists know that yearly variations make a 15 year sample unreasonably small. Real scientists examine all available data, not merely anomalous fragment-of-the-day that happens to fit the story they want to tell. Real scientists look at 50 or 100 year trend lines, and all other available evidence.

And most importantly, real scientists obey THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. Sunlight comes in through the atmosphere, hits the ground, turns into infrared thermal radiation, and that infrared thermal radiation is blocked from escaping by CO2. Only crackpots deny basic laws of physics, only a crackpot could deny the effect is real. There is currently about 3,000 gigatonnes of CO2 in the entire Earth's atmosphere, and and humans are adding 30-odd gigatonnes per year. CO2 levels are up 42% since the beginning of the industrial revolution, and at our current rate CO2 levels will have doubled around 2050.

The natural levels of CO2 and other greenhouse gases already generate a 50 degree F warming effect. (That's what generally keeps us out of an ice-age.) Most of that effect is due to water vapor, but gases like CO2 and methane have an independent warming effect because they block different infrared frequencies.

First of all, volcanic activity has been low for a couple of decades now. The last VEI 6 or larger eruption was Mt. Pinatubo in 1991.

There has been exactly ONE VEI event above 5 in the last hundred years. The fact that it was in 1991 would, if anything, make it recent and "above normal". Not that it really matters, because it only affects temperatures for a year or two. All you've really done is point out that the warming trend over the last 15 years *isn't* distorted by any volcanic activity in that period.

Furthermore, it's conspiracy-theory logic to suggest either (A) the global scientific community is deliberately excluding volcanic activity from their their analysis, or (B) the entire global scientific community is utterly brain-damaged-stupid that none of them ever bothered to consider volcanic activity in their analysis.

So, it is in fact quite surprising if you're a devotee of climate alarmism to see temperatures stabilize like this.

There's absolutely nothing surprising. Temperatures haven't stabilized. There is no pause. There has been a warming trend of the last 15 years. And as I demonstrated in my last post, it's trivially easy for a crank to cherry pick data points and manufacture totally fake "pauses" or "cooling periods". You did look at and understand the graph I posted before, right?

I understand there are theories regarding this heat hiding in the deep ocean somehow (rather in violation of entropy it seems)

They aren't "theories". They are measurements.
You know, legitimate climate scientists going out with scientific instruments and collecting real-world sea-temperature measurements to do legitimate reliable science.
Ocean temperatures have been rising. In fact ocean temperatures have been rising much more smoothly than surface temperatures because the ocean is far more massive (and thus far more temperature-stable) than the atmosphere.
Scientists haven't been integrating the ocean warming data into the global surface temperature data because they don't yet have enough from enough wide-spread locations to combine it into a global data set. Real scientists are responsible, cautious, and conservative in how they handle and make claims about their data. Unlike denialist cranks who who latch onto any anomalous or misinterpretable data point that seems to fit what they want to believe.

As for entropy, please don't wander off into some creationist-style bizarre interpretation of entropy, and what it prohibits. When you have warm water above cool water, and you increase the mixing of the layers, the top layer gets cooler and the lower layer gets warmer. Mixing transfers some of the thermal energy transfers down. There's no violation of entropy, no violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. There's absolutely nothing mysterious or remotely unusual about heat flowing from a warm place to a cooler place at varying rates.

Events like En Nino and La Nina can vary the amount of mixing between ocean layers. Changes in ocean currents can vary the rate of mixing between layers. Changes in the rate of arctic/antarctic melt water flowing into the ocean can change the rate of mixing between ocean layers. All of which influences the amount of heat that sits in the uppermost layer.

When mixing is below average heat from the sun warms the surface water layers. A warmer ocean surface results in more of the heat going into the surface level atmosphere, which then affects land surface temperatures. When ocean mixing is greater than average more of the surface heat is transferred down to deeper ocean layers, surface waters are cooler, less of the heat ends up in the surface atmosphere, and you get shifts in weather patterns and generally cooler land surface temperatures. This is why El Nino and La Nina are significant factors in global weather patterns... shifts in ocean currents and mixing alter heat transfer between the ocean and atmosphere.

and others than try to explain the satellite temperature measurements away by various hand waving.

Satellite temperature measurements completely confirm global warming. The only people trying to explain away the satellite data are the denialists. Those satellite measurements are virtually identical to ground measurements, and those satellite measurements show the earth is warming.

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Comment Re:Which shows that people don't understand (Score 1) 846

However, your language is quite interesting.

Your warped interpretation/abuse of language is quite interesting.

First, the use of the word "believe" implies that they lack faith in a belief, rather than acceptance of truth. I would agree with that implication

7% of people polled do not believe we landed on the moon.

Perhaps now you are going go ahead and say my comment about people not "believing" in the moon landing is some secret code word implying the moon landing isn't truth. I wouldn't be TOO surprised if you did. NASA scientists confirm that the planet is warming and that humans are responsible, so you're already accusing NASA scientists of being part of one kooky global conspiracy theory, so it's not too much of a leap for you to believe they're part of two kooky global conspiracy theories.

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Comment Re:The Numbers Lie. (Score 1) 846

You become a pariah if you publish Anti Global Warming stuff.

You might also become a "pariah" if you try to push astrology in an astronomy journal.
You might also become a "pariah" if you try to publish denials of tobacco-lung-cancer link in medical journals.
You might also become a "pariah" if you try to publish atom denialism in a chemistry journal.
You might also become a "pariah" if you try to publish 2+2=5 in math journals.

So yeah, if you demonstrate scientific incompetence, if you try to publish flawed science papers twisted to push some crackpot ideological position, yeah, it's kinda possible that the general scientific community will no longer consider you a respectable scientist.

By the way, did you notice that you're making the exact argument that creationists make? They like to believe that there are tons of scientists who reject evolution, and they have this fantasy that there's some vast body of invisible evolution-rejecting scientists who are merely poor victims of oppression, that they are all hiding.

The most powerful and most important red flag that you're sliding into paranoidconspiracytheoryism is when an absence of evidence supporting your case itself becomes a key element supporting the theory.

You've got an invisible army of climate scientists who agree with you, and the fact that they're all in hiding proves how vast and powerful the conspiracy is.

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Comment Re:An ode to wankery (Score 3, Informative) 846

Yes, denialist.

And here's a graph showing exactly how your denialism works, and exactly how laughably wrong it is:

Global temperature graph.

The wiggly red-orange line is global mean temperatures for the last 50 years.
The pale blue straight line on the right, that's the fictitious cooling period we've had for the last 12 years. The straight purple line is the preceding 5 years of fictional global cooling. And before that is the blue line in the middle, 8 years of fictitious global cooling. And the decade before that is the green line, another fictitious period of global cooling. And the straight red line on the left is the preceding 12 year period of fictional global cooling.

That graph shows that we've had nothing but (fictional) cooling periods or "leveling off periods" essentially EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST FIFTY YEARS.

The series of straight lines.... average declining temperatures lines... is a blatant staircase going up. And it illustrates just how absurd and wrong it is when denialists trot out your claim that warming has stopped or flattened. It is blatantly fraudulent to claim any of the straight lines in the posted graph represent any halt or even slowing in the rate of temperature rise.

There has been no halt in the temperature rise. There has been no slowing in the temperature rise. You're just grabbing at cherry-picked random fluctuations to draw a fictional staircase composed of fictional horizontal (or declining) steps.

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Comment Re:White Coats vs solar output (Score 1) 846

Hell yeah!

Screw those stupid laws of physics which say sunlight comes in through the atmosphere, turns into thermal radiation, which is then blocked from escaping building up heat.

Look at that squirrel over there. This year I saw it bury twice as many nuts as last year. And buried nuts make more trees grow. And trees affect the weather. No one has been able to explain why the squirrel buried more nuts this year. And they don't have any really reliable prediction for how many nuts squirrels are going to bury next year. This is an enormous hole in the knowledge needed to do predictions that mean anything. Until you can accurately predict squirrel behavior with some degree of proven accuracy, the climatologists are, well, just guessing. We need a mathematical model of squirrel behavior, but we simply do NOT HAVE IT.

Those other so-called-scientists are biased, they have a financial interest in getting grant money, and all their physics calculations on the heat trapping properties of CO2 is nothing but a scam to get more grant money.

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