Actually most of the editors I heard of rarely got paid, and if they did get paid it was very little. Most were premier scientist who did it for the prestige of being an editor.

In my experience, a lot of time the publisher got paid for printing the article. They called them "page fees". Ain't "publish or perish" great?

It's not a free market. The government, through grants, fund researchers. Researchers in turn fund their universities, one of three ( or four for state run universities ) sources. The other two being endowments and students. The researchers again fund the publishers from grants--through page fees, access to published articles--through subscriptions and services like JSTOR--. FInally the university libraries also pay for subscriptions--money they got from researchers grants. Could such a system work? I think once the original startup costs are handled, one grant could maintain such a system. A lot cheaper for the government then propping up the publishers. As for lost jobs, well just giving the workers an equivalent position to sit in a room would be cheaper. For every dollar a worker gets, the owner probably gets 1000. Even more as publishing techniques improve and those workers get thrown out of work anyway.

Rather they get payed from their grant money--although it may get cycled through the institution.

Since when has GNU in any way been funded by taxpayr money?

You mean the same closet that some homeless guy was storing his stuff in? You mean 100x the "normal" load that MIT could easily have r3egulated and didn't?

Samsung hasn't paid yet and may never have to. Worse comes to worse they will simply jack up prices to Apple.

When WIn 9 comes out or when Blamer gets fired. ( If he gets fired. )

Sorry I keep expecting spaces and newlines to be respected. Reposted formated.

It's not that they want to keep things quiet. JSTOR is a database of journal articles. By Journal I mean things like The New England Journal of Medicine or Physical Review, where scientists publish their academic papers.

The whole thing is a big scam by the publishers of those journals. The editors of the journals are scientists who do it for free because of the prestige. The peer reviewers do it for free because of the prestige. The scientists pay for the papers to be published ( rather their grants pay ) because they need to get published to keep their jobs. Typically university libraries buy these journSorry I keep expecting spaceals ( which are priced at somewhere between 10 and 100 times as much as the C/C++ Users Journal for example ). The libraries pay for the journals from money the university gets off the top of the scientists grants ( last I heard 60% but YMMV ) for overhead. Often times the scientists don't even go into the library if they need an old journal article they get it from JSTOR. IIRC JSTOR charges a subscription which is paid for by the scientists grant. I seem to remember that you could get old "Communications of the ACM" directly from the source at $60 an article.

So JSTOR is just another way for publishers of journals ( Elvesier being the most prominent ) to get more money out of grants to publish their journals which they do at a lower cost then say Scientific American because they get a lot of people to work for free and people to actually pay to publish the articles. They get the money for publishing publicly funded research and they mostly get the money from publicly funded grants.

As much as people may not like some peoples way of getting wealth-- for example Donald Trump or BIll Gates-- They at least get the money from people who give it to them willingly. The book publishers get it from the taxpayer.

That being said. At this point we don't even know if Swartz killed himself over the prosecution. He may have discover ( for example ) that he has a very painful terminal cancer.

It's not that they want to keep things quiet. JSTOR is a database of journal articles. By Journal I mean things like The New England Journal of Medicine or Physical Review, where scientists publish their academic papers. The whole thing is a big scam by the publishers of those journals. The editors of the journals are scientists who do it for free because of the prestige. The peer reviewers do it for free because of the prestige. The scientists pay for the papers to be published ( rather their grants pay ) because they need to get published to keep their jobs. Typically university libraries buy these journals ( which are priced at somewhere between 10 and 100 times as much as the C/C++ Users Journal for example ). The libraries pay for the journals from money the university gets off the top of the scientists grants ( last I heard 60% but YMMV ) for overhead. Often times the scientists don't even go into the library if they need an old journal article they get it from JSTOR. IIRC JSTOR charges a subscription which is paid for by the scientists grant. I seem to remember that you could get old "Communications of the ACM" directly from the source at $60 an article. So JSTOR is just another way for publishers of journals ( Elvesier being the most prominent ) to get more money out of grants to publish their journals which they do at a lower cost then say Scientific American because they get a lot of people to work for free and people to actually pay to publish the articles. They get the money for publishing publicly funded research and they mostly get the money from publicly funded grants. As much as people may not like some peoples way of getting wealth-- for example Donald Trump or BIll Gates-- They at least get the money from people who give it to them willingly. The book publishers get it from the taxpayer. That being said. At this point we don't even know if Swartz killed himself over the prosecution. He may have discover ( for example ) that he has a very painful terminal cancer.

Just curious what time frame do you have to get six strikes in? Infinity? What if a person gets two strikes right away then nothing happens for a year? Then they get three, then a year later they get four? Also will they reduce their fees for the time they throttle you? I'm sure several State Attorney Generals would not particularly like that. BTW one way of protesting the policy is after the third or four strike, simply call them up and say "I didn't realize that downloading stuff was bad. Now that I do I won't do it anymore. Oh and since I won't be downloading, can you reduce my account to the slowest one you have?" Before any one assails me with complaints about how they are now working for Homeland Security because no one would pay for the workproduct of their 60 hour weeks, I would like to point out that I generally do not believe in downloading stuff that I do not have permission to download from the copyright holder. I also am a realist and recognize that it is almost impossible to stop people from copy and redistributing a bunch of electonic ones and zeros, and I object to schemes which cannot work while making life more inconvenient for me.

The problem with the modern protester is that they are like spoiled brats screaming in the candy aisle. They also don't bother to read people like MLK, who himself said:

This is from apiece called "Letter from a Birmingham Jail". It was called that because he wrote it while in a Birmingham Jail for protesting. Oh well there goes my positive karma.

Actually most people I knew could set the time on a VCR/radio/Coffeemaker/alarm clock.

The main problem was that most of the devices used different interfaces so you had to know a lot of different interfaces.

Gary Cooper and Mark Twain.

Hope Barry doesn't lose it in a sewer grate.

So is it lead or SSRIs or just the fact that we give assholes a lot excuses for being assholes these days?