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Comment Re:Isn't this the ultimate goal? (Score 1) 732

I'm asking about a working definition, which is possible to detect in something other than oneself. The way you are defining it, you can't even tell if another human being has it or not, even after conducting laboratory experiments on the said human.

So actually it is implementation specific - about some implementations (humans) you assume they are feeling it, without any scientific test, just because they behave in a certain way while actually possibly not feeling it. But for other implementations (robots) , you don't give any way they can "feel" as per your definition.

BTW does behaving as if they are feeling a sense of accomplishment count? That is all you can detect anyway. Robots could do that one day.

Comment Re:Future Guy responds (Score 1) 732

No one can stop him from ordering. If all else fails, he can create a website of his own from which to order.

Where the story stops making sense is the lack of motivation of any one to deliver. Or to make (and maintain) a machine to deliver. Or to make (and maintain) a machine to make (and maintain) a machine to deliver.

Comment Re:Isn't this the ultimate goal? (Score 1) 732

It is like asking show me a person above 80 kgs of weight who is simultaneously below 30 kgs of weight.

Communistic society and free market don't go together. Same as being lighter than 30 kg and heavier than 80 kgs don't go together.

Democratic government, with current human tendency, almost doesn't go with either of these, but that depends on what the particular set of voters vote for among other factors. So it is like saying show me a person which blood sugar level of above 400 mg/dL for 40 years and still has perfectly functioning kidneys, heart, brain and eyes. Possible, but highly unlikely.

Comment Re:Isn't this the ultimate goal? (Score 1) 732

"Feel a sense of accomplishment" is defined by some chemicals flowing through some parts of human body. One could make robots that are human shaped and make that chemical flow in analogous parts of their "body". Nothing special about that.

If "Feel a sense of accomplishment" is not defined like that, how else is it defined ?

Comment Re:Basic Statistics (Score 2) 312

Bruce Lee summed it up - "Before I started martial arts, a punch was a punch and a kick was a kick. When I started martial arts, a punch was no longer a punch and a kick was no longer a kick. When I understood martial arts, a punch was a punch and a kick was a kick."

Most people are stuck at the second level - stuck in technicalities. Few people ever reach the third level - where a punch is a punch and a kick is a kick, not because of ignorance of technicalities. But because they have transcended the technicalities.

Comment Re:So you want to retire a statistical term... (Score 1) 312

Ok, that is interesting. I read a lot of "economists" and I don't get the impression that they are doing what I would call science. My impressions, compressed in a sentence, amount to the lack of consensus among premier economists about non-trivial, falsifiable and reproducible hypotheses.

Physicists have that consensus about of lots of such hypotheses, "economists" that I read don't. Would I not get such an impression if I were reading "real" economists as defined by you? Or do you disagree that this lack of consensus is a serious obstacle in economics becoming a "science" ?

Comment Re:A blow to vegetarians (Score 1) 318

Some vegetarians will, for instance, not eat cheese because you may have to kill cows to make it (little known fact, often something from the gut of cows is used to make cheese)

Vegetarian (microbial "rennet") cheese has been developed to quite a perfection. Yes all the million kinds of cheese cannot be made vegetarian, but enough variety can be, and it is the sole variety sold in Muslim (and even Hindu) majority markets.

While Muslims don't mind eating meat, a mix of dairy and meat is prohibited in Islam so they can't eat the calf rennet cheese. Of course cow is sacred for Hindus, so any food remotely associated with cow slaughter is no go.

In short, not eating cheese for this reason is not justified any more.

Comment Re:Extinct species survived (Score 1) 318

We have outsourced a lot of our digestion to gut flora. So a lot of evolution has been of those rather than human anatomy itself. Digesting this way makes us more flexible, by using the gut flora as pluggable modules.

Though I wouldn't disagree much if you say gut flora ARE part of human anatomy.

Comment Re:Not a Luddite, but... (Score 1) 674

They may get laid off. If they do, they will find new jobs.

Proof? Justification? Proof by confident assertion? New jobs requiring old people that have worked 30 years in other industries that will not die for 30 more years ?

Your story so far did have justification. But when it lead to the very thing you said is to be afraid of, you need to venture into pure dreamland to make your point.

Or the demand for the now much cheaper product will increase tenfold, in which case nobody gets laid off.

Ok, some products can be used tenfold. Many goods/services don't have infinitely scalable demand - how many cars can you drive at once? How many restaurants you can eat in at once?

Your error is in assuming that being laid off results in some kind of permanent state of unemployment.

Your error is making assertions without any justification or proof.

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