Intel Cuts Back on 820 Chipset Manufacturing 49
BRTB writes "It seems that Intel has actually done something right: realized that its new 820 chipset (with Rambus memory support and speed increases) is so expensive for computer builders and end users - on the order of $500 added to the cost of an 820-equipped machine - that it's decided to cut back on production. Check out the News.com article here."
Intel should drop Rambus (Score:3)
Intel bought some shares of Rambus Inc. sure, but frankly Rambus is a really small company compared with Intel, so I don't think it is a major point.
Technically, I'm not sure at all that Rambus is superior to cheaper alternatives: SDRAM at 133 MHz is only a first step: DDR SDRAM (which transfers data twice per clock cycle) should have a bandwith comparable to the Rambus memory AND they should have a LOWER LATENCY (and a lower price too!). So ?
For those who don't konow: the latency is also very,very important, the bandwith is not the only thing to look at... (especially the maximum theoretical bandwith!).
It's a shame (Score:1)
Big whoop-de-do (Score:1)
- -Josh Turiel
Re:Let me get this right.... (Score:1)
Some people are just gluttons for punishment. Unbelievable.
MJP
Re:Them's fightin' words (Score:1)
You are, however, correct in that Moore's law is a predictor of transistor density. Some tech writer who felt the need to oversimplify must have been responsible for the transitor desnity=power thing.
As for the transistor density of the chip (and the conductive properties of the silicon at small densitites), that's secondary compared to the "how do we keep all these transitors from frying each other" problem. Heat gets to be a real issue.
Intel's blunder? (Score:1)
Even though Intel looks like they've made a mistake and are behind in their chipset designs, it doesn't mean anything. They've been willing to get as much as 6 months behind and then sweep in with a processor/chipset combination that's just enough faster than the competition that all the vendors rush back to the Intel camp. I sure hope AMD can scale the Athlon fast enough to avoid getting Intelled yet again.
rambus and latency (Score:1)
Let me get this right.... (Score:1)
Re:rambus and latency (Score:1)
What this means is that your performance depends on your data locality -- if your accesses are close to each other, you'll get much better performance.
Also remember that processors don't directly access memory; they request data from the cache, which forces a cache miss and fill. If the system is designed well, the cache line size should be the same as the minimum data size for Rambus.
Rambus Ram does NOT provide more bandwidth (Score:1)
Re:The cost will come down (Score:3)
Re:The cost will go up (Score:1)
Step 1: destroy all likely competitors to chip business -
Step 2: ramp progress at a rate controlled to maximize profits over the long haul.
(that rate is x2/18mo.)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
Re:The cost will come down (Score:1)
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http://www.soundblaster.com/pressroom/releases/
I would post in HTML, but I'm kinda pressed for time (and I'm typing this on an HPC
Re:The cost will come down (Score:1)
Re:Done something right? (Score:1)
The cost will come down (Score:3)
Don't forget Moore's law - 18 months, double the power. The good thing is though, the prices are dropping while the power goes up. RAMBUS tech is new and not yet fully explored.
I will garantee that next month they'll be rethinking their cut back stategy.
Done something right? (Score:1)
Some people would like to pay for speed. I'm not
saying that Rambus would deliver it, vis-a-vis
DDR, or other techniques, but the average end
user doesn't buy PentiumIII's or Xeon's either!
Re:The cost will come down (Score:1)
How do you figure? Video cards have used RAMBUS crap for some time.
When we were switching from EDO to SDRAM it wasn't this much of a difference in price.
There are some special problems here that warrant a new aproach. Moore's law still applies, and hardware makers will find _some_ way forward. I recind that guarantee though.
Is story like this worth mention in /. ?! (Score:1)
I mean, Intel wants to go for some expensive thingies alone, and if there is no support, Intel either drops it or end up holding the thing by itself.
Is this type of story even worth a mention on
Additionally, there _are_ alternatives, not only the via chipset, but also the SDRAM.
Ultimately the market will be the final judge for everthing. You can come up with all the ding-a-lings you want, if the market doesn't buy it, you will end up with a warehouse full of ding-a-lings.
Server manufacturers dont like it either (Score:1)
Re:The cost will come down (Score:1)
Which video cards are using RAMBUS? I have
only seen ones on paper that propose to use
it (Glaze3D)
I know of no working PC video cards that use it.
It's hard to even get RDRAM.
Perhaps you confused Rambus with SGRAM, VRAM,
et al?
Re:Done something right? (Score:1)
Yes, they do. If you look in a catalogue, you'll find that about 60-70% of all fully configured sytems will be PIII, and the rest Celeron for the cheepo systems. The odd one will have a Xeon but hese are marketed at the enthusiest/power user.
Re:rambus and latency (Score:1)
The cost will go up (Score:1)
Moore's Law is passe. It's OVER.
Re:The cost will come down (Score:1)
What crap! Video cards have some pretty different RAM standards but none of them are using RAMBUS. And I think you'll find it's waaay different from both EDO and SDRAM.
Re:rambus and latency (Score:1)
http://www5.tomshardwa re.com/releases/99q2/990622/index.html [tomshardware.com]
Re:The cost will come down (Score:2)
Re:rambus and latency (Score:2)
Them's fightin' words (Score:1)
Moore's law will max out when the silicone hits the 5 atom barrier. That is, when silicone is only 5 atoms thick, it loses some of it's properties. That does not mean a) we can't use something else and b) we're at the 5 atom barrier yet, although we will be soon.
BTW, seen any rumors on 1-2GHz processors yet? Gee let me quickly calculate, yup they'll be her in under 18 months, hey gee they're twice as fast as the ones we got now. Gee, how about that.
Re:The cost will come down (Score:1)
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There is no statute of limitation on stupidity.
Re:The cost will come down (Score:1)
I don't believe there ARE any under a grand..
Re:Coming to a computer near you... (Score:1)
hearsay: 820 is "a bitch to work with" (Score:3)
He said that the 820 was a particularly buggy chipset, and that it was causing them a lot of frustration, more so than previous chipset releases. I told him that it was being marketed as Intels most advanced chipset, and his response was (I'm paraphrasing as best I can) "they ought to call it Intel's most advanced piece of crap!" He had other harsh words for it, such as unreliable and inconsistent, and as in the subject line.
So maybe it's being cut back on not just for "the sake of consumers" as this
Also, as others have pointed out, it doesn't make any sense to *cut* production on a chipset which people are willing to pay for in order to gain performance improvements. Someone mentioned Xeon, and I think it's relevant. No one is forcing you to buy a system with a certain set of components, and the bleeding-edge carries a premium. So what? That just means I can't buy it until it's not the bleeding edge.;)
Again, this is hearsay, but from a good source
timothy
Intel shouldn't drop rambus (Score:1)