Cobalt Networks files for IPO 41
A reader wrote in with the news that Cobalt Networks has officially filed their S-1 to the SEC on 9/8/99. The full story is online, although quite brief. Be interesting to see how this one goes.
8 Catfish = 1 Octo-puss
Re:Where's the GPL? (Score:2)
or, if you for some reason are not running Linux:
here [gnu.org]
1. Refers to the orignal program's source code
You may charge a fee for the physical act of tranferring a copy...
2. Refers to a modified program
b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. (emhasis added)
3. regarding binary distibutions...you must
a) Accompany it with the
b) Accompany it with a written offer
All of the above require that what is released be released under the GPL.
So, they only have to distribute to their customers, BUT they CAN'T prevent their customers from redisributing.
Re:Cancel my last, maybe this will be hot (Score:1)
Red and Blue.
No, not Big Blue, Cobalt Blue.
Maybe Red Hat should work on a MIPS version,
we could call the result "Red Hot Blues" !!
nice boxes, good luck from a repeat customer (Score:1)
I also have three of them that we don't need any more (a project that has been redirected mid stream), so if anyone wants to buy one, let me know.
-pate
pate@screamdesign.com
MIPS chosen for heat output (Score:1)
I find the MIPS thing a bit of a problem - there's alot of Linux stuff that won't compile nicely for MIPS, and of course none of the RPMS work too well!
Their distro is loosely RedHat based, but they don't track RedHat - they simply used it (4.x??) as the starting point.
Re:Is Cobalt following the path of OpenSource? (Score:2)
No. The GPL imposes an obligation to provide source to those whom you have supplied with binaries, not to the copyright holder of the code, Linus Torvalds or Joe Random Hacker.
They would (Score:1)
S-1 filing available on FreeEdgar (Score:2)
It will be on www.sec.gov in a day or two.
Re:Not really news (Score:1)
-krs
cobalt has a major drawback (Score:1)
however, i am attempting to use it as a file server for an all-macintosh network (which they claim cross-compatibility allows) and their version of atalk is faulty. it changes creation dates of files and directories (each time you touch or open a file, the directory date changes... from year 1939 to 1969 to 2015 to 2131 for example). which makes it a pretty useless file server.
furthermore, running a backup of the files touches the files, so every day it appears as if all files have been modified, and they are all backed up again not just the files that really have been modified. this can be pretty annoying on a 13.2 GB hd.
as a stand alone product, i'm farily content. however, for me it is pretty useless. i have heard from their seriously lacking tech support that they know about it, but aren't seriously persuing a fix.
oh well. so much for cross-platform compatibility.
Cool Blue Machines (Score:2)
They come in a few different configurations. There is the Qube and the Raq. The Qube by default has two ethernet interfaces and an open PCI slot. The Raq has one ethernet interface, but I think it had SCSI. Not sure if they support RAID or not.
As for their sales guy, he was very knowledgable. He answered every question we had, and with a bunch of security buffs and other Linux users sitting in on the presentation, he got his share of toughys.
The only thing that I didn't like, was all the admin stuff is done in the clear. There is no standard SSL package for the admin side. It doesn't come with SSH, but I think they provide a compiled RPM of it on one of their distribution servers outside the US.
It's statble and most of the software that a small business is going to use is already preinstalled on it. It does run the 2.0.34 kernel, Apache 1.2, and Samba 1.9.x. I think they're working on new machines, but I don't know much about that.
All in all, it's a good box. Easy to set up and manage. It looks cool too. I love that color of blue. Try and find the picture on their website of 40 of their Raq mount units in a Raq. It's slick...
Re:Is Cobalt following the path of OpenSource? (Score:1)
Where's the GPL? (Score:1)
Someone should turn the screws on those companies, if that's the case
Re:Enlighten me (Score:1)
from a more traditional market perspective: cobalt was one of the first linux-as-appliance manufacturers, so they are in the position of having to make the mistakes whereas others may learn from cobalt's w/o expending resources (if smart enough). if cobalt is also smart enough, they will develop rewarding developer relationships instead of paying neophytes for square wheels. poor investment in experienced development means that the early good seeds that wandered through cobalt can only hope management sees the light. cobalt's strengths lie in its multiple distribution channels and community goodwill. these can be counted to remain loyal for the short term, but long term return to horizontal markets and (once again) free software change the value of that approach. as for product, it could be that cobalt will forego mips going forward, in the process shifting focus from efficiency (dollars/cycle) to price, in an effort to maximize margins.
other players will likely follow suit, and market the same message: our UI ontology maps to yours. since the market is still not sophisticated enough where every business has an in-house hacker, there is room for profits. cobalt has seeded the industry, but the window before market sophistication is small, and cobalt needs to strengthen its service before more traditional service providers loosely partner w/ netapp or whatnot and cobalt dies the usloth death.
Cobalt does release their code. (Score:2)
good? (Score:1)
Re:Is Cobalt following the path of OpenSource? (Score:1)
Linux community shares? (Score:1)
Another company to support (Score:1)
Another IPO (Score:1)
Whatever you people do, don't get wrapped up in this whole IPO thing. It will bite you in the ass in the long run.
Yes they're Linux based (was Re:good?) (Score:2)
Basically they sell Linux boxes with Apache and Perl on them. Nothing that a typical
You can start at Cobaltnet [cobaltnet.com] for their home page, or, being provincial, go to their North American mirror [cobaltnet.com].
They were also mentioned in WiReD 7.05 [wired.com].
From there, you can read scads of reviews from Linuxworld and ZDNet, product specs, etc.
They seem to have a good product for someone (ISPs?) needing to add cheap, reliable, high performing web servers without needing too much inhouse expertise. And the cube is a funky cobalt blue box.
Why is this good for Linux? I suppose when you can go to a professional looking web site with your PHB and get some nifty servers preloaded with Linux shipped to you for far less than NT, you might start seeing more Linux boxes show up. It makes them more of a web page toaster than a complex, arcane, unsupported hack.
George
here we go again (Score:1)
I am also concerned as was mentioned in previous posts if they are going to release their (per)version of RH in the manner becoming of the Open Source community, or if they plan on keeping it under lock and key and proprietarily (sp?)
IMHO in just the few minutes that I talked to the people from Cobalt, I feel that they are probably waiting for their source to be bulletproofed before releasing it to the masses. If this is the case, then I applaud them and will back them wholeheartedly. BUT if they decided to keep it under lock and key to try to keep their product to themselves, I will probably NOT opt to buy their stock, but I WILL keep investing in their products.
These boxes are FAST, reliable, and with a very small footprint... I'd like to turn one over to a (play) server just to see what it would take to crash it:)
Re:Is Cobalt following the path of OpenSource? (Score:1)
2 - Well, I'm not a Linux developer, so I can't say first hand, but I think the idea of insisting on a gift for contributions to opensource software or products is a BAD THING. Where do you draw the line? Only people who have contributed to the kernel? Apache developers? Documenters? Testers? Those people that download and use every developmental release are just as important as the ones that create it, so long as they contribute by reporting bugs at the very least, and fixing them if they have the time and knowledge.
I've been using Redhat since 4.2... On occassion, I report issues I bump into. Though I don't know how much bearing they have, I don't expect anything in return. That's what the whole free software philosophy is supposed to be. Not doing stuff for free in exchange for shares of companies that use your stuff.
3 - Sorry for going so off-topic there!
Excellent! (Score:2)
I also like how they aren't using an Intel architecture, which helps promote Linux's cross-platform abilities.
Best of luck Cobalt! (I love that color too
Is Cobalt following the path of OpenSource? (Score:5)
The interesting question for
I suspose the point of all this musing is to think and explore the relationship between traditional businesses and the OpenSource "gift economy" as detailed by ESR [tuxedo.org]. Would insisting on a gift (of shares) be considered boorish? A "gift" which is automatically expected suddenly shifts from a voluntary exchange of appreciation to a compulsary tithe on the future goodwill (ie thou must give away x servers or else!) which could shatter the easy-going nature of the OpenSource community. While individuals can be expected to keep social balances in their heads (e.g. cousin x gave y last Xmas so I'll give z in return where y~=z), corporations are run on tough balance sheets principles under recognised accounting rules with the sole objective aim of increasing "value" to "shareholders". This creates an unresolved issue in dicussing how corporations can both support and benefit from OpenSource without being seen as overly exploitive (which could potentially lead to loss of goodwill). What do people think?
LL
Re:MIPS chosen for heat output (Score:1)
nice little boxen (Score:1)
Of course, everthing can be done via the command line if you want. Too bad they can't ship with ssh installed.
cobalt networks (Score:1)
rah rah rah
~runyaga (forgot my pwd && @ work)
Sure, and why not use E*Offering to do it? (Score:1)
The underwriters (Score:2)
: Sachs & Co., Merrill Lynch & Co., and
: BancBoston Robertson Stephens.
Interesting underwriters, could be a good IPO....
Re:good? (Score:1)
I dig those nifty blue cases :)
I'm just not excited by this one (Score:1)
It'll probably go up though. But who knows.
Me I just put a $140 limit on my Red Hat (IPO at $14), since people are going nuts.
Cancel my last, maybe this will be hot (Score:1)
Re:Great, now they should be able to... (Score:1)
I like the Raq for ISP's, but I won't install the Qube for small workgroups networks (their supposed target market) because of the lack of a sensible backup option. I do *not* think backing up to a workstation is acceptible.
Oh well, the Qube 2 has lots of improvements over the original Qube... hopefully an integrated tape drive, or some method of attaching a external tape drive will be available on the next generation Qube....
Enlighten me (Score:3)