Motorola sues Intel 65
Numeric writes "
Motorola sues Intel. Apparently, Intel is attempting to herd former Motorola employees to work for them. Motorola is greatly concerned that those employees will be disclosing their knowledge of the PowerPC chip design. "
Legal Agreements.... (Score:1)
Actually, many standard components of NDAs aren't legal. I've often wondered why companies aren't held liable for requiring employees to sign contracts that include illegal clauses; I suppose, though, that would mean that people wouldn't have to sue to enforce their rights. Then what would all those lawyers do for a living?
Keep your eye on the ball (Score:1)
What does Motorola's competence have to do with that? Though, interestingly, even my 195Mhz 604e does 400 bogomips, evidently the same bogomark as a PII 300 and beating an Ultrasparc. Wheee
The point is, Intel are ready and willing to fight as dirty as they can get away with and even a little (or a lot) more than that. They'll happily pull the MS ploy of buying people just to make sure other companies can't have them. They're probably cooking their books too since they're so paranoid and desperate. I know some insiders at Intel, and they are not _capable_ of doing good work anymore- the politics are absolutely disturbing there- all they're good for is killing other companies at this point.
They should be blown out of the way so others can start developing products unmolested. They will _not_ be blown out of the way, probably. However, they must not be allowed to choke the industry to death, OK? Tell me how many chipsets and video cards AMD makes. Intel is big enough to begin strangling the rest of the industry, and that's just what they're trying to do- the fact that they can't maintain a work environment that is conducive to innovation, the fact that they are running out of steam and facing a collapse of their effectiveness, is not relevant. They'll still be able to use their resources as a destructive weapon for some time, and that's what they mustn't be allowed to do.
Where is it written that 'among these rights to be held self-evident is the right of Intel to buy out, sabotage, steal from or otherwise obliterate any smaller competitor who frightens them by producing a better product?'
INTEL = Microsoft Disciple (Score:1)
Intel is obviously hitting a brick wall with their legacy CISC technology. MERCED has been delayed once again, and their Pentium III is no better than the PII with some tweaks.
So what do they do? Steal from others, of course. Intel has learned lessons from Microsoft very well - "Money talks, and competition be damned. If we can't make it ourselves we will just buy out their engineer talent."
Clueful (Score:1)
they never really completely split
i think nokia has better phones but mot definitely has better processors
mot startac sux like hell it always fails to read the card nokias have games
IBM / Motorola are split on G4 (Score:1)
actually apple will obtain chips from both, ibm's own divisions aren't big enough to giv them money
Freedom to work where you want (Score:1)
I do aree with you on that the G4 will be a rocking chip. But the real G4 too look out for will be the 2nd revision of the chip. It will have a 128bit cache bus and 128bit MaxBus that will provide the most thruput of any chip that will be out there at the time. Look for it in late 99.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Who *makes* the G3/G4? (Score:1)
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Ummm, (Score:1)
Sheesh...you give AC's a bad name.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
RIGHT! (Score:1)
They're worse than Apple was between 1990-96
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Motorola gives you thighs. (Score:1)
I don't feel sorry for Motorola (Score:1)
BUT -
Gee, losing all their employees to Intel?
Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Motorola ditched their OWN CPU for internal use and replaced all their PCs with Intel-inside Dell computers.
Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that PowerPC chips aren't selling to a very big market, because Morotola doesn't market them for shit. (remember the BEST PowerPC chip commercials you ever saw? they were from Apple, not Motorola. Moto just sits on their asses making chips.)
Motorola's shit is definately not in the same locality. They make a great CPU, but as far as other matters of business go - they seem to have their sphincters around their necks.
How long does it take to process a submitted story (Score:1)
It's just The Way Things Work (tm).
Clueful? (Score:1)
I never was totally impressed with Motorola. I bought a voice modem, the modem part broke, sent it in, they took off the external 'voice' jacks, put in the wrong firmware. when a lightning broke it a second time, I asked them to put the jacks back in, to no avail.
The 68xx chips weren't all that wonderful, but the included dev environment was nice.
I have never owned a Mot cpu or uc.
Freedom to work where you want (Score:1)
they aren't whats make them look lame is what geos with hem (ie Mac Machines, with crappy macos and crappy-buggy Intel chipsets on the MB). Other bad thing for the Power PC has a general use chip is that it is too strongly thight to IBM and Apple (remmember the wars Apple/ibm in the 80's). The chip itself IS great
Have you ever tried to do asm on an Intel Chip and on a Motorola one ? intel sux , you are restricted on the use of the registers, their number is limited.
The future of the mainstream PC is tied to the x86 architecture which imho has reached is limits. And changing to IA 64 is going to be painfull so Intel seeks people with experience in that Field Mot's employees. ALso ALtivec to be released with the G4's chip rocks a lot more than MMX or Katmai so Intel wants to get that technology to say Hey look what we've done .....
Re: (Score:1)
Legal Agreements.... (Score:1)
Oh yeah, IBM and Motorola are still tight, and actually seem to be getting along better now....
Freedom to work where you want (Score:1)
MS and Borland (Score:1)
Thats bad news (Score:1)
M$ gutted several mac companies several years ago. It is a very effective practice.
The PowerPC is a well engineered chip and it is to our benifit that it continues to evolve. Competition is good in the marketplace. And besides, as programmers you have to appreciate a well designed piece of equipment.
-b
Change perspective (Score:1)
You have your brand new start up firm. You and one employee(to keep it simple). Lets call this little company Transmetta for the sake of argument. You come up with this brillient idea, that will totally reshape the industry(lets call it a quantum CPU). You tell your one employee all the details. Intel finds out your working on something big. Intel offers this employee millions in benifits and pay. He defects. How much do you trust your quantum CPU secrets with the only othere person in the world hwo knows about them, whos now over at Intel???
Ive signed non-compete agreements in the past, and i feel its perfectly allright. Ive know a lot of sensitive information and business practices that would sure help some compettitors, but look at the company you would be leaving, and how much time and resources were poured into this stuff, and it seems only fair. You may not even think about it when you go to another company. You know all this stuff, and it will eventually come out or affect your work. I think 2-3years is good.
Freedom to work where you want (Score:1)
This whole notion of "raiding" as an "illegal practice" is as ridiculous as NDAs in general. I've never heard of an NDA being succesfully enforced in court - its just legal mumbo jumbo to protect bad companies from competition.
Motorola should just bite the bullet and admit that Intel has completely killed them in the general CPU market segment - with inferior products at that. Even IBM has dumped Motorola as a partner.
Motorola used to be a blue chip company that was a sure winner. Now they're just lame. Nokia is killing them in cell phones, and Intel is destroying them in ICs.
Clueful (Score:1)
Call it what you want - just find me one recent substantial judgement supporting an NDA.
Oh, that's news since IBM is real tight with everyone.
Read the news sometime - they split on PowerPC last week. Duh.
Both Intel and Nokia has inferior products
...that are destroying Motorola in the market.
IBM / Motorola are split on G4 (Score:1)
They have bailed out of Somerset.
Apple will obtain chips from Motorola, and IBM will supply its own divisions.
This isn't my "opinion" - it all happened in the last few weeks.
Where to find chip designers... (Score:1)
When will these ludicrous lawsuits end. Maybe I'm just clueless but was Intel supposed to have headhunters calling McDonald's to see if any chip designers wanted to change jobs.
Seems Motorola has a problem keeping key people and their solution to the problem is to sue any company that has the gaul to offer their people better jobs.
Freedom to work where you want (Score:1)
inferiour? is that why it has 4 times the number of registers? yes, i know risc on the inside (remember when all the x86 zealots said risc sucked?) and it has more internal registers, but that's almost as slow as cache; the compiler can still only control what's in 8 of them, the rest are up to the cpu's own cache like use of the remaining registers. if that's not enough, just look at the x86 mem arch. enjoy shift registers?
How long does it take to process a submitted story (Score:1)
i guess everyone just wants their 15 seconds of slashdot fame
How long does it take to process a submitted story (Score:1)
Legal Agreements.... (Score:1)
And they are most definitely legal. However:
They MUST be accompanied by compensation for the moratorium. That is, if you cannot work for another company in your field for a year after you leave Foo.com, then Foo.com MUST compensate you during that time. In other words, if they don't pay, you don't have to play. The compensation can take the form of anything, as long as it is worth the price you will pay for being out of the market for a year, and potentially not even able to work for that time.
I have refused jobs based on the NDA. It's always the same story.. "It's just standard procedure. Everybody signs them."
A company that is so paranoid that it needs to propagate unenforcable NDA's to make themselves feel better, is a company I would avoid working for.. long term, anyway.
Is anyone else bothered by the intellectual property clauses as well? What I do at home is my own property, as far as I am concerned. I have refused to sign docs that had those sorts of things in them as well. "We own everything that you do that relates to our business." Umm... what? What's that? I don't think so, bubba.
I have no problem handing over things that I do with company resources, and on company time. Those are rightfully theirs. But if I do it at home, on my own time, nope. And I won't sign a document that says otherwise. If that costs me a job or two, so be it. I'm more than happy to fill the time with other work.
So.. the moral? If you really need the job, sign in vanishing ink. You'll thank me later.
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Who *makes* the G3/G4? (Score:1)
Does Motorola just manufacture the chip that IBM designs?
I never hear anything about Motorola. With the speed of the G3/G4, and with AltiVec too, I would think more people would be talking about them... but I never hear anything. I remember seeing ads for their "DigitalDNA [digitaldna.com]" a couple of months ago, but that's about it.
Why don't we ever hear anything from them?
Motorola gives you thighs. (Score:1)
MS and Borland (Score:1)
This stiffles competion and is bad for the whole business as a rule.
Motorola gives you thighs. (Score:1)
This just proves that motorola rules! (Score:1)
using the awesome motorola 68000 chip.
This just proves that intel wants to learn all of the stuff motorolas chips do.
Man... where did I put all those amiga disks.. I think I'm gonna download UAE again
Who *makes* the G3/G4? (Score:1)
Apple, IBM, and Motorola collaborate on the architecture/ design of the chips. This alliance is called AIM.
Motorola builds the G3 chips.
IBM owns the trademark to the term "PowerPC." This is not the same as having a patent for the chips themselves.
Clueful (Score:1)
Actually they split last June, but maintained a limited partnership until their latest single silicone solution was completed.
Freedom to work where you want (Score:1)