Sending Mail to Hotmail Users? 126
Cafesolo wonders: "I'm developing a web application using PHP. It has a user registration system that sends a link via email to activate new accounts. I've found that sending mails to Hotmail accounts is very difficult, because the spam filter is very strong and it filters lots of non-junk messages. I think the spam filter blocks any email whose domain isn't in an internal whitelist (which might contain popular domains, like hotmail.com itself, gmail.com, yahoo.com, msn.com, etc). Most of my users have Hotmail emails. I can't simply tell my users to read the junk folder because most of them are not computer-savvy and that seems to be a bit confusing to them. Has anyone managed to solve this problem? Did somebody try to contact Microsoft? Is there any way to get whitelisted? Can an independent programmer get his domain whitelisted?"
Occasional black-hole routing? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:See slashdot article... (Score:3, Interesting)
Automatic death sentence (Score:5, Interesting)
But for many of us forging headers is an automatic death sentence. I've walked away from existing business relationships where I had non-refundable credits because a customer support request was answered with a forged header.
On the other side of the table, it's one of the few actions where I would not hestiate to recommend immediate termination for cause if I caught a member of our staff pulling that stunt. (The other actions are using the computers to perform illegal acts or to distribute pr0n/warez.)
The reason it's so serious? It shows a culture that has a casual disregard to the consequences of identity fraud. If you forge mail that appears to come from me, then who else are you sending those forged messages to? Why should I believe your answer? Trust, once lost, is not easily recovered.
(BTW this doesn't even address the original point of getting past spam filters. Like many sites I have my MTA set up to reject incoming messages that claim (in the envelope) to come from my own domains. I know who I am and anyone claiming to be 'me' is, prima facie, making fradulent claims and should be treated accordingly. The last time I checked that test, by itself, was blocking about a third of inbound traffic.)
Re:Trial and error works. (Score:2, Interesting)
The situation is actually MUCH worse than that (Score:3, Interesting)
The Symantec BrightMail filters that Hotmail uses will silently delete mail. The sender will see no indication that the mail failed, but the message will be deleted; it will NOT necessarily appear in the Junk Mail folder.
I've been using Hotmail for years, but have recently been having terrible trouble with it losing messages from mailing lists that I am on, even with spam protection set at its lowest level.
Hotmail is NOT a reliable email system.
As far as I can tell, the only real solution to this is to tell your recipients not to use Hotmail.
email() (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Don't allow free emails (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Don't allow free emails (Score:3, Interesting)