Banned From WoW For WINE & Programmable Keyboard 701
An anonymous reader writes "Player gets banned for playing World of Warcraft under WINE and using a Logitech Gaming keyboard. "I am an experienced network engineer for an ISP and I am often running World of Warcraft on Linux through the use of WINE..."" Although the e-mails exchanged are unclear
my guess is that the programmable keyboard was more the problem then WINE. Not that you'd ever know that given that Blizzard communicates with their users seemingly almost exclusively with form letters.
It's the keyboard, stupid. (Score:5, Informative)
Source:w ow-interface-customization&t=330798&tmp=1#post3307 98 [worldofwarcraft.com]
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=
Definitely the keyboard (Score:5, Informative)
Apparently the macros on the keyboard were making him do repeated actions, and somehow this was interpreted by Blizzard as "unattended" operation. (Why they think it was unattended I don't know, TFA doesn't say exactly
Anyway, a quote from TFA:
"So it seems that if I use a programmable keyboard I am botting. However I suspect their 3rd party detection software saw a very strange enviroinment in which WoW was running; that combined with the repetitive task of healing myself, switching weapons, and casting Hex of Weakness programmed in my keyboard, I am viewed as a bot."
So it seems other people using WoW under WINE are safe, you'd just better not get too trigger-happy with the keyboard macros.
What's really the problem here is that there seems to be a huge disconnect between official Blizzard policy (programmable keyboards are okay, this has been explicitly said by one of their reps in the forums, according to the article) and what the GMs did. And after the guy got banned, they seem to just be just stonewalling him and hoping he'll go away, giving him a lot of "the matter is closed" crap. I have to salute his perserverence, though, in spite of this.
Rather a disappointing showing from Blizzard.
If it walks like a duck... (Score:4, Informative)
On this point (botting) the EULA has been clear since the release of the game. If one knows something he is doing could be percieved as botting (at the discretion of the owner of the content) then why tempt fate by using it and then admit to using it?
They made a judegement call with their corporate reputation as the foundation upon which they stood to defend this principle. That didn't leave them any backing-down room. When you admitted to the programmable keyboard that gave them what they needed to completely defend their position.
Step 1: ditch programmable keyboard.
Step 2: obtain new credit card.
Step 3: Hellooooo Level 1.
good luck - EULAs can be tough.
Re:Getting banned from recreational sites (Score:4, Informative)
Re:It's the keyboard, stupid. - And he was BOTTING (Score:5, Informative)
When you a grinding, if a GM suspects botting they will whisper you looking for you to respond. If you don't respond within a reasonable amount of time you get nailed for botting.
Yawn..
Re:It's the keyboard, stupid. (Score:3, Informative)
This is the link, however it's giving me a "service unavailable" message. I'm not sure if that's because I'm not authorized, or because I'm in the US and trying to get to the European forums, or what. If anyone can access it and quote their answer, I'd be very interested.
Re:It's the keyboard, stupid. (Score:2, Informative)
He was cheating.. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:But that is not the point (Score:2, Informative)
not so odd (Score:3, Informative)
Put yourself in the GM's position. A character repeatedly performs the same action hundreds of times. When sent messages (tells/whispers) the character does not respond. There is no other reasonable explanation than that the character is automated. Sure, weird situations like this particular one can occur, but is there really any way for Blizzard to see that it was not a bot? The guy pressed one button that caused his character to perform repeated tasks while the player was not watching the game. That is botting. The fact that the player pressed one button every few minutes does not mitigate the rule breaking.
Re:Definitely the keyboard (Score:4, Informative)
Yes, TFA says the guy had been watching movies during this because his character was owning the enemies anyway. That counts as unattended gaming and is strictly prohibited in WoW due to unfair advantages it grants the botter.
Now, how Blizzard pictured this may be up for debate, but Blizzard has in the past been monitored suspicious accounts if the strange behavior goes on over long periods of time and aren't just flukes. That's probably how they can say this, and if pressured could maybe even say for how long he did it.
Fasterfox? (Score:4, Informative)
I'm hoping this isn't a trend, because Fasterfox really does make a HUGE pageloading difference.
Perhaps if I run a squid proxy on my network it would help too? There's only 3 machines here, my desktop, may laptop, and my wife's desktop.
Re:Anonymous? (Score:5, Informative)
And just a minor remark here to people who claim I was botting. Please, go look up some botting software.
1) They virtually all need MS
2) Botting software runs around, taps mobs, kills them, loots them and repeats this process. I didnt. I did not loot, move, nor change target. Anyone with a WoW account can run to Thousand Needles, find a Windchaser creature, get a lowest level weapon and hit it indefinately, provided that you are a healing class.
Anyway, I mentioned this, but I can understand why people who quickly read would miss it.
Re:It's the keyboard, stupid. - And he was BOTTING (Score:2, Informative)
As a matter of fact, the behavior he described can be easily replicated on a standard keyboard using WoW's built-in API. It is a simple matter to write a macro that will watch your health, heal you if if drops below a certain threshold, switch weapons based on any of a number of circumstances... etc. Bind that macro to a key, and just press the key over and over. Perfectly legit.
He didn't say he was away from the keyboard, he simply said he was watching tv while grinding out weapon skill. If all you have to do is press one button... that seems entirely plausible. He's not gaining any extra information or abilities from the programmable keyboard, so I don't see the sense in this banning.
Re:Anonymous? (Score:5, Informative)
If you RTFA, he provides a (now defunct) link to a post in the EU forums, with a quote, in which blizzard had stated that using keyboard macro functions is okay.
Petition WoW for Linux (Score:2, Informative)
WoW already has great OpenGL support, it shouldn't be that hard for a company like Blizzard to port WoW to Linux.
There's already an online petition to get WoW ported to Linux claiming 23725 signatures (at the time of my posting this).
Sign it here. [blizzpub.net]
(disclaimer: I'm not connected with the creaters/pwners of the site in any way what-so-ever, I just really want this to happen.)
You don't need to own or currently play World of Warcraft to sign; you just have to support the idea of it being ported to Linux. Please support this. This would make an incredibly strong argument for Linux as a viable gaming platform.
Re:Anonymous? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:It's the keyboard, stupid. (Score:1, Informative)
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=
Note the second post which says:
"No you cannot be banned for using this keyboard."
or a couple more posts down:
"Some of us even use them"
I would have to say, based on this, that either the keyboard isn't the problem, or people at Blizzard don't listen to each other. Most likely it is some combination of the two.
Re:A Mr. Godwin on the line for you (Score:3, Informative)
Except it didn't.
From Taco's post...
The name change isn't the issue as much as the completely random and inconsistent enforcement of rules (that may or may not be rules) by nameless, faceless people who live behind a wall of form letters, canned answers, and "we don't have to explain ourselves to you, citizen!" attitudes.
Re:You were still botting (Score:2, Informative)
And tell me, holier than thou WoW player, have you never watched a movie while playing? Because in MC I have definitely done nothing but mash frostbolt when the hall trash gets pulled to my group while I sit and watch a movie.
Blizzard was entirely out of line this time.
Re:Player TOS (Score:3, Informative)
Re:It's the keyboard, stupid. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:How is Using Macro's Not Allowed? (Score:3, Informative)