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Zend Framework Released 25

banetbi writes "The new Zend Collaboration Project website is finally online. Included in the site is a completely new PHP Developer Zone and a pre-release of the Zend Framwork."
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Zend Framework Released

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  • by truthsearch ( 249536 ) on Monday March 06, 2006 @11:44AM (#14858143) Homepage Journal
    I just noticed the Zend Developer Zone is "powered by" the Zend Platform [zend.com] which claims it's "the only robust PHP production environment that ensures your applications run smoothly at all times."

    I'll be sure to not tell all of my clients about it as they'll wonder what's wrong with the PHP builds we're running now.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      the "robust PHP production environment" must be why I cannot get pages to load from zend.com right now
    • Re:Zend Platform (Score:4, Informative)

      by Unknown Relic ( 544714 ) on Monday March 06, 2006 @12:51PM (#14858830) Homepage
      Let's not take that quote out of context, you have to read the rest of the overview:

      "Zend Platform uniquely guarantees application uptime and reliability through enhanced PHP monitoring and immediate problem resolution that removes the troubleshooting guesswork out of the equation and replaces it with peace-of-mind."

      They aren't saying that PHP as a platform isn't good enough, they're saying that Platform helps ensure your applications run smoothly. Platform is essentially a combination opcode cache, partial and full page cache, and in depth monitoring and event logging. If the applications you are running experience a problem - be it a fatal error, warning, unusually slow performance, slow sql query or whatever custom metrics you define - you can be alerted right away. You're also able to reproduce any event that has been logged instantly through the IDE's debugger. Basically, it keeps things running nice and quickly, and when an issue in the application causes a problem, it gives you the information needed to quickly fix the problem.

      We've actually been running Platform since it was first available, and while pricey it's been a great tool to have. It's not perfect and there are some issues that I'd still like to see resolved, but none of them have been show stoppers. I wish they would offer a cheaper version with just the logging functionality though, there are cases where we really don't need anything else.
  • With PHP having OOP capabilities but with the vast majority of users still using procedural code, this was a must to not only get those developers coding to a standard but to also get them to upgrade to OOP and PHP5 in one fell swoop.

    While I have been building MVC frameworks in PHP for awhile now for corporations, I'm still intrigued to see what Zend will provide. Will this be compiled into the engine? Are these C libraries or java API's that will handle the majority of these additional functionalities?

  • Does this work with PHP 4? They mention PHP 5 specifically several times, but I seem to remember they were saying this framework would be backwards compatible too. This would be nice since most PHP sites are still running 4.x but gauging from their site (and their manual, and the download itself) it looks like they may have abandoned that idea.

    Unfortunately, until PHP 4 is only used on a very insignificant number of sites, I can't integrate this into products without cutting off a significant portion of m
    • Yes it works fine with PHP4. I've been using Zend for awhile, and there are no problems writing PHP4 with it.
    • And after reading TFA, the framework works fine with PHP4 as well. It's monday, I haven't had my coffee yet.
    • Someone said it DID work with PHP4, but the FAQ [zend.com] says differently:

      What version of PHP is required to run the Zend Framework?

      The Zend Framework is compatible with PHP 5.0.4 and above. PHP 5.1 can be used but is not a requirement. Zend Framework is also tested against the current version of Zend Core. Sorry, PHP 4 will not be supported.

      It's too bad. I wish there were a killer MVC framework for PHP4 with it's massive install base.

      • Re:PHP 4 support? (Score:1, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward
        CakePHP http://www.cakephp.org/ [cakephp.org]
      • That seriously sucks to hear. If no PHP 4, no go for me for a long time. Even if the current version works in PHP 4 right now, based on their FAQ it's not supported, so I'd be risking having the carpet pulled out from under me at any time.

        Damn. I was really hoping to use that search component...
  • Woof. (Score:2, Flamebait)

    by hatless ( 8275 )
    All right, so it is a 0.1 initial public realease, but given the at least 3 months it's been in development since the announcement and the two-sentence fuzzy roadmap statements, the framework doesn't look too promising so far. To say nothing of Ruby on Rails, there are at least a dozen modern MVC frameworks out there for Perl, Python, J2EE and yes, PHP, that are much further along and more importantly seem better thought out. If at this point the roadmap still doesn't speak in terms of things as basic as au
    • Re:Woof. (Score:3, Insightful)

      by pkieltyka ( 954776 )
      You mentioned that the Zend framework is behind other MVC PHP efforts, which PHP MVC framework would you consider to be the farthest along with a clean and well thought-out implementation?

      Zend Framework has many promising features, especially it's Zend_Db classes. Things like Zend_Db_Table, Zend_Db_Table_Row provide very helpful tools when building systems. In addition, the query-building feature is a nice bonus when query compatibility is important across databases like MySQL, Oracle, MSSQL.

      Just curious,
  • Always wonder... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    I always wonder how has PHP achieved so high market penetration. It is easy to introduce parsable errors like in Perl. It is slow, like Python. It can be unreadable, like Perl. Some custom extensions (mainly PECL) make shared hosts extremely exotic, like Python and Ruby. So no big deal. All of them, PHP, Perl, Python and Ruby have their disadvantages. Why is PHP so sucessfull while there are fully operational frameworks (like Catalyst) when PHP has unfinished Zend Framework or Seagull 0.x.x.

    Don't get me
    • Re:Always wonder... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Davorama ( 11731 ) on Monday March 06, 2006 @08:48PM (#14863229) Journal
      No big mystery there.

      PHP was the easiest thing to learn and do useful things with at a time when everybody was jumping on the .com bandwagon.
    • It can be unreadable, like Perl.

      Nothing can be unreadable like Perl. Except maybe the output of /dev/random. :-)

      All of them, PHP, Perl, Python and Ruby have their disadvantages. Why is PHP so sucessfull while there are fully operational frameworks (like Catalyst) when PHP has unfinished Zend Framework or Seagull 0.x.x.

      PHP is a good tool for the job - it was created for web applications. Perl can be a good tool for different jobs, but it wasn't designed for web work. Nor was Python nor Ruby, which

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