
Open Fonts For The Web -- Harder Than It Sounds 179
simpl3x writes "of the nytimes articles posted today, this one about new, open fonts designed for the web was by far the most interesting. Here is a link to the project site, and here is a reason why it is necessary. For all the talk of the world wide part, the basics are still very local, aren't they? It will be interesting to see how one chooses a character on a keyboard!"
Truth be told... (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.nongnu.org/freefont/ [nongnu.org]
Standards (Score:5, Insightful)
Font Copyright.... (Score:4, Interesting)
On the other hand, font making people have tried to claim that their fonts are 'software' and thus copyrightable. But if you made a duplicate font 'by hand' it would be legal... but you would have to call it something else, as 'times new roman' and 'verdana' are trademarks of various font providers.
Another ramification of this is that you can get really cheap fonts for your computer that look exactly the same as some of the most expensive ones.
Re:Font Copyright.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Font Copyright.... (Score:4, Informative)
A digital font _program_ can be copyrighted.
The name of a font as you note can be protected by trademark law, as can any other product name.
see www.typeright.org for more details
as regards cheap clones, well, sadly there're all too many of them available (and no, I'm not going to cite sources). Fonts like software are hard to create and should only be freely available if the designer so wishes (of course it helps if you get a six digit grant from the Department of the Navy and other sources as did Dr. Donald E. Knuth when he made Computer Modern).
William
Re:Font Copyright.... (Score:1)
I will [1001fonts.com]!
Here's another [fontseek.com] one
Enjoy!
And if you have a small bit of pocket change, look for the "Expert Fonts" 1001 font CD (or 200 font diskette sets). If you can find one in a bargin bin, it should cost about $1, considering its age. Fortunately, all the fonts are TrueType. It helped me do some basic DTP for pocket change when I was in high school!
Because, hey, information like this wants to be free, especially in lots of different fonts.
Re:Font Copyright.... (Score:1)
I seem to recall something about hinting in TrueType fonts being implemented in some sort of (virtual) machine code. It seems conceivable that at least that part of the font would be copyrightable.
Re:Font Copyright.... (Score:2, Informative)
There is clearly a lot of work in the software arena that could be done to aid typeface creation but I don't think there is much money in doing so.
Re:Font Copyright.... (Score:2, Informative)
The reason is that types change as the resolution and size change through some sort of hinting system. In Postscript fonts, I'm not sure how this is accomplished, but I know it is accomplished and rarely copied properly. In truetype fonts, hinting is accomplished by little programs embeded in each font that rearranges the control vertices and other attributes based on the size and resolution, and perhaps other things.
This of course brings up two of my pet peeves. First is that while truetype fonts are superior to postscript fonts, creating them is also more labor intensive, so there are few really high quality providers of them.
Second, while truetype fonts are clearly better, the postscript language is so darn cool for writing programs, but you get best advantage doing so if you use real postscript fonts rather than one truetype font that has been converted at different sizes to postscript.
But anyway, to get back to the topic, the best way to copy a typeface is to print it at several sizes, and also to screen capture it at several sizes, then trace the main one (say 12pt at 300dpi) into your typeface files, then figure out how to set the hinting to approximate the other samples you took.
Font specifications (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Font specifications (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Font specifications (Score:1)
UHF! (Score:4, Funny)
"Help me out of this box, I can't breathe in here! Help, let me out!"
Re:Font specifications (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Font specifications (Score:5, Insightful)
That's why, in many large companies, the web site is COMPLETELY under the domain of the marketing department. IT/MIS has absolutely nothing to say about it.
This is a fact of business life.
Re:Font specifications (Score:2)
Excuse me while I chuckle at images of the other company using lynx
Re:Font specifications (Score:1)
Re:Font specifications (Score:2)
Maybe I should just browse on 256 colors and make them scream when their gradient background fail..
Re:Font specifications (Score:2)
Re:Font specifications (Score:1, Insightful)
And if anyone is spinning in their grave about Slashdot running articles on fonts, then dear god, how do they react to the stories about Doom being ported to the Nokia phone?
Isn't the technology all about how the content is presented? Shouldn't that be what geeks care about?
Re:Font specifications (Score:5, Informative)
Hardly obscure. The man has a Google Category [google.com] all to himself.
Re:Font specifications (Score:2)
Geek? Yes. Lawyers? No.
'nuf said.
Content is King? Ha!! (Score:2)
Seriously, though, proper presentation of content ensures that the content is being accurately conveyed and is comprehensible.
Garbled content is the Man in the Iron Mask, rightfully king but hidden away.
Re:Content is King? Ha!! (Score:2)
I'm just trying to fathom where the blinking red windows and flashing "YOU WON" ads and X-10 pop-ups fit into this paradigm of "proper presentation." And don't leave out the Flash animations that take 15 minutes to load over dial-up. I can't help but think of the Sony Pictures website for "Swept Away." The movie can just barely get distribution in major cities and they've got real live employees building cutsy websites.
As far as I am personally concerned, the web is a cross between high tech mailorder and the old amateur mags (zines, fan- and otherwise) of yesteryear. That corporations seem to think it's a good substitute for web-offset and gravure printed glossy brochures is just hilarious. Those, of course, always did fall under the advertising department.
Re:Font specifications (Score:3, Insightful)
Note that their goal it to create "comprehensive set of fonts that serve the scientific and engineering community in the process from manuscript creation through final publication, both in electronic and print formats."
Having a consistent method of displaying/formatting formulae and other complex content is a very valuable thing.
D. Knuth, please call your office!
Re:Font specifications (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Font specifications (Score:5, Funny)
I should think TBL would be more concerned about the implication that he is dead.
Re:Font specifications (Score:1)
Another possibility is that the poster wasn't even talking about Tim Berners-Lee, but rather indicating that someone named Tim Bernard Lee has died.
Or something like that.
Re:Font specifications (Score:2)
and may currently be spinning, or not
Re:Font specifications (Score:5, Insightful)
Put in more simple terms - content is only content when it can be discerned as such. Perhaps someone speaking Russian to you is saying something useful. But if you don't speak Russian, it does you know good.
The big problem from day one with the world wide web was assuming that a very simple display engine was sufficient. This was naive and in part led to all that fracturing of the market that enabled Microsoft to take it over. Yes CSS helps a bit (although it came rather late). However the problem of fonts is still a big one that has not, in my opinion, been adequately solved.
Admittedly it is one that is more of a problem for people in academics. (i.e. physics and mathematics) And for web display most of these people simply convert their equations to GIFs or (more commonly now) simply keep everything in PDF. While Adobe tried to leverage their Acrobat product as an alternative to many web standards, the fact is that PDFs have many limits.
And of course there is still that problem of generating PDFs. This being Slashdot and all, I'm sure that all the TeX fans will come out of the woodwork. However for regular users it is often less than helpful. Even the equation editor in Word, while helpful, isn't the ideal solution in my opinion.
Unfortunately, given that the number of people who write equations is such a small niche, I don't think we'll see this solved in a nice fashion. And, to be fair, things today are VASTLY superior to how things were back in the days of typewriters.
Equation editor (Score:2)
I will probably be shot for praising a MS product, but MS Word used to have an excellent method for entering equations. Then MS came out with equation editor (which sucks) and ditched the good thing they had.
This was way back in MS Word for macintosh circa 1990. IIRC one would type command-\ and it would use an inline encoding to build the equation. So a square root 2 would be typed command-\ r 2 command-\. It produced beautiful results, worked well inline or by itself, was scalable, editable, didn't require one's hands to leave the keyboard, etc.
The only problem is that it required one to RTFM (or at least RTFHelp-Menu) and remember "obscure" character commands like r=root, i=integral, etc.
*sigh*
Whatever happened... (Score:2)
Re:Font specifications (Score:2)
Re:Font specifications (Score:2)
Frob.
Math fonts. (Score:5, Insightful)
What about wingdings, you elitist pig?
</humor>
oink, oink! (Score:1)
Been there, done that. (Score:2, Informative)
Yes, I know they're MS fonts
but, the article is about... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Been there, done that. - Gratis is not Libre (Score:1)
See comment above: Truth be told... [slashdot.org]
Standardization... (Score:5, Interesting)
Really, the methodology for creating the paper depended sharply on the ultimate destination (or publication). Every publisher has their own requirements for typeset, etc. Really you need to convince publishers to agree to accept the font package before it will win broad acceptance.
Re:Standardization... (Score:1)
Re:Standardization... (Score:3, Informative)
This is a bit weird, since AFAIK, most complex papers involving pure math are written in TeX. If you're doing anything really complex or nonstandard with your equation layouts, there's just no substitute. TeX is not completely standardized (there are freely available addons like LaTeX and LAMS-TeX) but still....
Really, the methodology for creating the paper depended sharply on the ultimate destination (or publication). Every publisher has their own requirements for typeset, etc
True. That can get kind of painful in the real world, since style-over-substance rules there and people spend half the day dinking with fonts to get it to look "just perfect". I would expect academic journals to be both exact and sane in their requirements ("use Helvetica 14 Foo for headings, Times New Roman 12 for normal text, Computer Modern 14 for mathematical type, DVI or Quark files.") but that probably doesn't happen since academics are just as stupid as everybody else IME.
The obligatory (La)TeX reply (Score:3, Informative)
I think you could reasonably argue that both LaTeX 2e and, probably, the AMS stuff for (La)TeX are standard among the community.
The TeX community is surely one of the first and best examples of collaborative development. It's free, multi-platform and there's a package available to do almost anything. Sadly, it's also an example of the single biggest drawback: sometimes (the LaTeX 3 project), it just stops when no-one has the time available any more, and everyone using it and waiting for their pet peeves to be fixed is stuffed.
And by the way, since when was putting Computer Modern and Times near each other even remotely sane? That's why you get alternative math fonts for LaTeX if you're going to be writing in Times! :-)
Hmmmm... (Score:3, Interesting)
I've got latex2e class files for both of those formats, which includes how the fonts should be layed out, figures, bibliography, page numbers, equations, and pretty much everything else.
I also have one from my University and past university for their thesis formats (at the Undergrad, Grad, and pHD levels for each).
Publishers just need to get everyone to accept metadata for how they want things to look; changing look and feel and fonts should be easy as long as you're using a WYSIWYM package.
I don't even know now what they wanted; all I know is that I had to edit one line to make my paper look the way they wanted it to.
You can Make Websites Any Font You want.. (Score:3, Interesting)
I can see, the draw for open source fonts, however. I think the reasoning behind this is that it will allow people to create works, using whatever open source font they want, and not have to worry about paying someone for it. just my Humble opinion... I could be wrong...
Re:You can Make Websites Any Font You want.. (Score:1)
This is in a platform, browser independent way? Prove it. I want to see it.
Re:You can Make Websites Any Font You want.. (Score:2)
As there is no comprehensive mathematics font in existince, the ability does no good.
Maybe, if you have enough patience. (Score:3, Informative)
of course you can always change that setting with fontographer or whatever type editing prog you wish, but then you're doing something illegal and you could get fired, blah blah blah...
Re:You can Make Websites Any Font You want.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Right. ``several implementations''. And there's a standard, too (CSS). I'm just afraid that this isn't very well supported (it wouldn't surprise me at all if M$IE didn't grok it, after all, it's a standard.
The other problem with this is that most fonts either suck, or can't be distributed with websites in this way due to patent || license || copyright issues. Making _your_ fonts available with the website is the last step in the process of fully being able what it looks like - in compliant browsers...
Re:You can Make Websites Any Font You want.. (Score:3, Informative)
Examples of usage are here [glyphgate.com]
The Big Giant Head Speaks! (Score:2)
Hey! It's William Shatner!
Ups and Downs (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Ups and Downs (Score:2)
The least of our worries (Score:4, Insightful)
With large corporations comes a lot of money, which we all know can influence nearly anyone to change their views. Microsoft has near dominance with their Windows + x86 platform and has been trying to change the Web from an open standards-based database of all the information in the World into yet-another-slice-of-the-computing-pie, right next their gigantic slices of Windows and Office.
So I humbly ask that designers and advocates of the my-font-anywhere revolution talked about in this article don't forget about keeping standards open for all of the Web. This includes not only fonts, but more important subsects such as Web servers, scripting languages, databases, XML, etc.
Re:The least of our worries (Score:2)
I have to agree here. The article claims that scientists are fed up with what they perceive to be their only two choices: PDF and special fonts in web pages. Here's a question: why don't they just use PNGs of formulas rendered in the fonts & software of the author's choosing? If hyperlinks within the formula is what they want (though I'm not sure I can see why), they can use an imagemap....
Just my too scents.
Re:The least of our worries (Score:2)
Raster images is probably the worst way to represent equations. The only advantage is that they'll display in any (graphical) web browser.
Different char encodings need different fonts (Score:3, Interesting)
I know this is a little bit off topic, but think about all the kids/adults kids in India (or any non-ISO-8859-1 country) being unable to use certain apps or even operating systems because key aspects cannot be localized.
Re:Different char encodings need different fonts (Score:3, Funny)
The mapping of key codes to characters is done by the input driver with a keymap. Modern systems all map their keys to unambiguous Unicode values.
The problem of character encodings is dying a slow and painful death.
The best software example I can give that "makes things right" is Gtk 2. With the right fonts installed, every script supported by Unicode "just works" out of the box and in every aspect of the system.
Isn't it very simple? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Isn't it very simple? (Score:2)
Duplicate story again... (Score:3, Informative)
OK. So the previous story included the project name, and this one does not. *sigh*
MathML? (Score:3, Informative)
Ehhm
I might be a bit stupid here, but wasn't math-font-problem why the w3c came up with MathML [w3.org]?
Why not simply use that?
Re:MathML? (Score:2)
The project would actually support the Math Markup Language.
Re:MathML? (Score:2)
1) A program that handles MathML (Mozilla does, M$IE doesn't)
2) Glyphs to display the symbols in the equation
It is the second point that is addressed by those free fonts. AFAIK, MicroSoft core fonts do not contain all the glyphs that are used in equations (just look at the myriad of glyphs TeX can produce). Of course, there's always the excellent collection of fonts by Donald Knuth, which, IMHO, still rules in terms of quality and completeness of mathematical symbols. They don't provide proper internationalization, though.
Re:MathML? (Score:2)
It's a noble endeavor, but doomed to fail, IMO.
I don't quite get it (Score:3, Funny)
This is a solved problem. (Score:1, Offtopic)
The STIX fonts look like an interesting idea, but I don't see from the article while they're truly necessary. The Computer Modern fonts used by TeX, the standard for mathematical typesetting, work just fine.
In addition, the article claims incorrectly that PDFs cannot easily include hyperlinks. I believe the authors of the hyperref package would be fascinated to know this their package allows easy embedding of hyperlinks and anchors into PDF files, such that the links work perfectly in Acrobat, xpdf, and other viewers.
Re:This is a solved problem. (Score:2)
In any case - hyperlinks would be a piece of cake.
CM fonts are limited, and ugly (Score:3, Insightful)
The major thing here first is that we've tried to collect all the symbol glyphs used at least occasionally, including alphabetic symbols (script, fraktur, openface, etc.). Not just arrows, or what's in cmex, or the ams groups - but everything we could get our hands on. After collecting the glyphs and associated characters and their meanings in use, we managed to run it through Unicode so the new Unicode 3.2 has standardized positions and descriptions for the majority of the thousands of characters we're working on. The current phase is actual font creation - creating a single set of consistent-looking fonts, with an overall goal of being "Times compatible", in weight, x-height, general style, etc. The final phase will be packaging and distribution; we need to get these in a form that they're usable by both TeX (Type-1's) and general applications on the widest range of OS's (probably OpenType based on the Type-1's).
Unfortunately, while the hyperref package works fine for TeX (I actually wrote the original HyperTeX standard used to make that happen) I'm not aware of any other publishing platforms that do automatic linking in PDF's - it's pretty rare to see it, anyway. And the end-point of the link may bring up a browser or another acrobat file, depending on where it goes, which makes the whole thing less than seamless... How many times have you actually followed a PDF link? You can always add them manually, but that definitely qualifies as "difficult". In any case, PDF files are a fixed page layout, and tend to be larger than HTML/XML, so they have a number of disadvantages besides linking.
Zodiac font (Score:1)
Open fonts (Score:5, Funny)
According to the article, it's not open. (Score:2)
Re:According to the article, it's not open. (Score:2)
Re:According to the article, it's not open. (Score:3, Informative)
Unicode? (Score:3, Informative)
I notice that the
Many BBS's I frequent allow all kinds of multicultural strangeties such as Tibetan, Sanskrit , Mogolian... Even Mathematics!
Pah, forget these ''math'' fonts... (Score:5, Interesting)
http://fonts.tom7.com/ [tom7.com]
Trust me. Instant PhD.
Re:Pah, forget these ''math'' fonts... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Pah, forget these ''math'' fonts... (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, it would be pretty boring. I've done it a little bit for a class I took a few years ago, and it was really not very fun. My feeling is that we have enough corporate-looking fonts already, and that it's much more fun and interesting to push the envelope on new font looks, as well as extend the corporate fonts to cover more of the Unicode charset. I would be interested in a push to create free (as in freedom) corporate fonts to replace existing ones, but it really is a pain in the ass so there'd need to be a good chance of the project producing something worthwhile
I do like to make usable bitmap fonts, though, and I've done some of that.
fonts. for the web. (Score:2)
A browser is for displaying information in an efficient way. It is not for page layout. You want a nicely-printed book, paper, etc, use a document processor. You want to look up information or view pr0n easily, use a web browser.
Yes, fonts for the web (Score:2)
Your use of a browser may be displaying information in an efficient way. I'll wager that 90+% of people using a browser want a visually interesting experience. The web is no longer the preserve of just the odd academic paper, and there is no reason it shouldn't be presented nicely even if it is. If you want a straightforward, no-frills presentation, that's fine, but don't tell everyone else that they're using the web wrong just because it's not your own way. They'll just ignore you, and rightly so.
From the FAQ (Score:2)
While most TrueType (Windows and Macintosh) fonts today have this limit, Type 1 (PostScript) fonts do not, and can be much larger.
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That really confused me. While fighting with the dreaded Linux font setup, I cursed and cursed Type 1 fonts because they had a limit of 255 characters. TrueType fonts were better - Tahoma, for example, has well over 500 glyphs, not to mention the 20 MB Unicode font from MS.
Can somebody clarify what is being talked about?
Re:From the FAQ (Score:2)
Finally packaging of the fonts is still kind of up in the air - we're looking at Type-1 and OpenType at least, possibly doing a Truetype version as well (hinting would have to be re-done). And then whether the fonts are "big" or "little" ( 256) depends in part on the encoding (that's how Tahoma does their different languages within a single font) - there still seems to be a real 256-character limit to doing anything that can be considered a "symbol" font, but we need to figure out just where we have to bend over to support OS quirks, and where we should just do what the specs say and hope for the best...
If anybody has any suggestions on this, or knows a person or company that would be particularly helpful (yes we've talked with Adobe and Microsoft - we'd like somebody that would actually spend a bit of time working with us...) please follow up to my email address (above). Thanks!
Re:It's time to adapt to a new reality (Score:3, Insightful)
Do us all a favour, keep going west. You'll eventually find an ocean. Just keep going...
Re:It's time to adapt to a new reality (Score:5, Funny)
America invented the internet.
>>>>>>>>>
China invented fireworks. No fireworks for you! Bye bye fourth of July. Phoenicians invented the "English" alphabet, so you best stop writing! Arabs invented Algebra and the "English" system of numerals is Indian in origin. There goes math! In fact, 0 is a concept that originated in India, so you'll have to find another value to denote your IQ.
America uses the internet the most. During the late 90s, Internet traffic in North America more than doubled every six months.
>>>>
Europeans use cell phones the most, so I guess we should all adopt GSM. The Chinese eat rice the most (I'm from India, another rice-eating nation, so this isn't a racist comment
Don't even get me started on the last one. World history is my little hobby, I'd have to intellectually beat the crap out of you...
Re:It's time to adapt to a new reality (Score:2)
Duh! All that stuff happened before America was around! Those countries had no choice but to invent their own stuff. And look! It took them four thousand years to do it! America went from oxen and ploughs to 747s, space lasers, pr0n, individually packaged pre-moistened towelettes, microwave burritos, electricity, HDTV, indoor plumbing, hydroponics, the Internet, and the god-damned atom bomb in a little over two hundred years! What has the rest of the world done in that time? Nothin'! Bunch of lazy, good-for-nothing lazy people...
(Yes, I'm kidding. If you're not laughing, it just means my sense of humor is better than yours.)
Re:It's time to adapt to a new reality (Score:2)
Re:It's time to adapt to a new reality (Score:4, Informative)
Erm, Tim Berners-Lee is not an American [ideafinder.com].
And Marc Andreessen created MOSAIC, the first graphical browser, but did not create the WWW itself.
Re:Unknown languages that no one speaks. (Score:4, Funny)
That's it. That's the only reason. Otherwise, we might all be speaking German. Or, if the USA's War of the Rebellion had ended differently, perhaps Spanish. Or, if the USSR had won the cold war, Russian.
If things continue at their [slashdot.org] current [slashdot.org] rate [slashdot.org], we may all be speaking Chinese in 100 years.
Re:Unknown languages that no one speaks. (Score:1)
No they didn't! They helped end it. The alliance won the war. (that includes the United States).
Anyways, this is massivly off-topic.
Re:Unknown languages that no one speaks. (Score:2)
And the Americans were the only ones to occupy Japan.
The post-war economy was driven by the USA, Germany, and Japan. In the USA they spoke English; in Germany and Japan, their second language was English. In most of South America the second language is English (due to the dominance of the USA in the hemisphere). It was the USA that drove this trend, not England. Post-war England was economically almost as ruined as post-war mainland Europe, with rationing long after it was lifted in the USA. The war effort drove technological advances that the USA, with it's intact manufacturing base, was able to exploit to dominate the world economy. If you wanted to due business with the Americans (and who didn't?), you learned English. Period. WWII was the piviotal change that made the 20th Century the "American Century." And that drove English world-wide.
And yes, it's massivly off-topic.
Re:Unknown languages that no one speaks. (Score:3, Funny)
(pours a shot)
Re:"Massively". Learn to spell, imbecile. (Score:2)
No, the US _loaned_ the UK the weapons and food. I think we're still paying today.
Re:Unknown languages that no one speaks. (Score:1)
WW2 and the US had friggin NOTHING to do with standardizing on English. The friggin BRITISH Empire that was close to 60% of all land masses that existed during 16th->late 19th century is what made English the defacto international language.
Re:Unknown languages that no one speaks. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Unknown languages that no one speaks. (Score:2, Informative)
Err, no. The adoption of English as the foremost language of
international trade was pretty much a done deal by 1900. Of course,
this has changed before, and may change again, but the wars in the
twentieth century have pretty much nothing to do with it.
Anyway, I don't think it matters what _languages_ these fonts do
or don't support, as long as they have all the needed symbols to
support MathML. That means Latin and Greek alphabets at minimum,
plus aleph (from Hebrew), and of course all the various non-letter
symbols.
Re:Unknown languages that no one speaks. (Score:3, Insightful)
The fact that most of the civilized world speaks English today (although not necessarily as a primary language) has nothing to do with WWII, it has everything to do with the industrial and technological revolutions that have shaped what we call civilization today.
As it happens, English is very adapted to describing very technical ideas, much more suited than any other currently existing language. Latin accomplished this reasonably well also, but failed to remain established as a living language for other reasons. Although many other languages have Latin roots, Anglo Saxon, which ultimately evolved into English, happened to speak "science" best. As technology became more and more prevalent in our society, the need for terminology to describe those ideas became more significant. This led to English becoming increasingly popular in countries where these technologies were being used or experimented with. What accellerated this even further was the fact that many of these technologies made it viable to communicate across vast distances in much shorter periods of time than was ever possible before. Such technologies included the transportation industry, which can allow a person to travel hundreds, or even thousands of miles in a single day. The global community that was created by the invention of such technologies strengthened the world's need for a common mode of communication. English was available, so it was used.
So no... the fact that we speak English today has nothing to do with the USA or WWII. Necessity has always been the mother of invention, and English is as prevalent as it is because the world "needed" it.
Of course, one can always make a (not too unreasonable) argument that technologies were thrust forward more quickly than they might have been _because_ of the wars in the early half of the 20th century... but that's another issue altogether.
(I humbly apologize for this massively offtopic post -- replies via email please)
Re:should anybody choose to actually read the arti (Score:2)
Won't most of these new non-alphanumeric symbols just be ignored by google's search tokenizer anyway?
Re:The 5 Linux fonts (Score:4, Insightful)
But stylesheets are... (Score:2)
The reason you separate content from presentation is precisely so that the latter can be changed independently of the former. By all means don't litter your HTML with font tags, but what's the problem with presenting a nice visual stylesheet with it? Modern CSS can even specify multiple stylesheets for different media, so you can have whizzy visual effects on screen, nicely readable black and white for printing, and potentially audio hints and such for sightless users as well. WTP?
Yes it does (Score:2)
We're talking about obscure math symbols like the curly harpoon/arrow combinations or fraktur H that really means something distinct from roman H in the context. Almost all of the ones we're working on have unicode numbers assigned - and almost all of them show up in some form in some existing font, but there is no existing single set of fonts that has all these characters in a consistent style.
For the visually impaired, these are perfectly scalable fonts, so there's no problem with magnifying them to 36 point or whatever you want on the screen.
Also, if somebody does come along with another set of fonts with the same set of unicode characters represented, it should be possible (via CSS say) to substitute those other fonts if that's what you want...