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Linux.com Relaunches Linux Jobs Section 44

Marius Aamodt Eriksen writes "Linux.com recently relaunched the jobs section, now with a new improved jobs database (both for employers and job-seekers). They seem to be getting more job posting than LinuxToday, definitely worth a look!"
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Linux.com Relaunches Linux Jobs Section

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  • Hey Andover.net, here's a Linux job for you:

    We need a "Sort By Lowest Score First" option, because the bottom six incoherent posts that got scored down are far funnier than the top six incoherent posts that got scored up.

    Did I mention that slashdot was going to hell?
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    pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate [152.7.41.11].
  • Hi!
    I recommended this site to our recruters. We are nice Java sturtup. Linux is a main hacker's platform. We have stock options, too. Visit http://ia.com , please.
    You can send me your resume, at andrew@metaphoria.net.

  • Hi!

    I recommended this site to our recruters. We are nice Java sturtup. Linux is a main hacker's platform. We have stock options, too. Visit http://ia.com , please.

    You can send me your resume, at andrew@metaphoria.net.



  • we are working on that at the moment. :)
  • What's up with linux.com ? Job's listings are completely scrued up when viewed under IE.
  • Actually, the chance of finding a cow in the world is approximately 1. The chance of finding a cow in a specific barn is significantly less than that.

    Sorry, just felt like that analogy could be embraced and extended. :)

  • sorry about the double post..i missed something..feel free to moderate this one straight to hell :)
  • First slightly coherent post :P~

    It's refreshing to see linux getting more respect in INDUSTRY than simply either hacker communities or mainstream media articles on them. The fact that sites like this are starting to pop up means that more linux jobs are opening up around the marketplace, which is good for the movement, and may push linux to be an actual replacement for windows {which it is NOT at the moment, I promise you..linux is a hobby of mine but it's way too complicated and difficult for what i do regularly}
    Arg...bad run-on sentence. Anyway..yeah
    :)
  • I spoke with a technical recruiter recently about a startup that was going to be doing its stuff on "unix/linux". The casual way she linked them in her conversation made me think that, for all intents and purposes, they are synonymous and interchangible, at least in her mind. That seems to me to be a measure of market penetration and respect. Anyone else feel that way?
  • Sorry, the chances that an living object you select will be a cow, is significantly less in the real world then in a barn.

    That ought to teach me to not check my analogies closely before I post on /..
  • You are Misunderstanding the idea of an Apprentice. Let me see if a simple clarification in the term will remove your objection to the idea.

    Once you learned UNIX at college what did you do next? You stated it was in your freshman year. Once you had the basics you began to learn the details. You worked with juniors and seniors that had more knowledge them you, and gained experience running a UNIX box for real.

    The apprenticeship idea is along the same line, you are working with other more experienced people, learning how to run UNIX for real. Surely you did not know all you needed to know about running a UNIX server after your freshman year.

    Apprenticeship is working with a master and learning your craft. If all you needed to be a brilliant Admin was to read a couple books and spend six months with Redhat on your home box. Admins would not get the salary that demand today. Linux had been wonderful for helping a High School Student learn UNIX. I am a senior in High School this year. If it we not for Linux and the buzz it has been generating I would not have began to learn Linux or UNIX as a whole in high school.

    So if apprenticeship is defined as a entry level job for high school students during the summer or part time would you be opposed to that?

    Nate Custer
  • You are forgetting that DOS came with next to no documentation, and the amount of peer advice one was limited to was one's classmates at worst and the local BBS social network at best. When a kid nowadays gets a Linux distribution, he not only has a rather extensive amount of HOWTO and various other docs included, he also generally has access to the 'net at large, where there're likely to be someone willing to answer any given question. (Although, agreed, an Apprenticeships section certainly wouldn't hurt)
  • OK, so it's only just been relaunched, and we can hope that it'll get better over time. However, there's only one job in London, and while I could do it standing on my head, I'm not interested in a permanent job at the moment. It would be great to have a range of jobs to choose from.

    FWIW, if anyone has any contract Unix work (whether coding, admin or anything else) in/around London, let me know! The time off has been nice, but it's time to look for another contract...

  • Have you considered subscribing to the Jobserve mailing list [jobserve.co.uk]? They'll send you a daily list of jobs that match a filter you set up, or everything they get if you so wish. They're not Linux-specific, but these days they are listing plenty of Linux contracts, as well as lots more Unix work, every day.
  • I just got back from job fair and it seems that Linux is become a force in the industary. I have a Linux and GNU skill heavy resume and about 5 out of the 40 booths were very happy to see me and my resume.
    Many shops are going Linux/*BSD for a couple of reasons. It's Free (As in BEER) and it runs on off the shelf PC and Alpha hardware (Which is pretty damn close to Free BEER). Another benefit to knowing Linux, is that if you can install Slackware or Debain (or one of the other Need to Think Distibutions) and maintain them, then you can switch to HP/UX and/or SunOS rather easily.
    However, installing linux and using it also holds other advantages. Perl, Apache, and other popular GNU tools come with any Linux distibution are also hot skill sets to have. Perl alone, it worth the time to sit down and learn since just about every company uses it.

  • Granted, anyone can get a copy of an O/S, but it may be just as alien to most people as DOS was to our mothers so long ago.

    DOS was just as alien to all of us once, but people who love computers will learn. The only problem is when its more difficult then other solutions...

    "Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
  • I don't know if a Linux-jobs-only setting is the way to go.

    It would certainly give us an environment where we don't start fresh every week explaining why Linux would be a better choice for this project or that. It would also be nice to have an environment where it is possible to collaborate with people working on other systems without the threat of being assimilated. And for once it would just be nice to use the words Slashdot [slashdot.org], User Friendly [userfriendly.org], Strenua Interia [geekcomix.com], and Freshmeat [freshmeat.net] without getting blank looks. ;-)
  • If you're constantly asking someone questions in an attempt to learn the basics of Unix, then you're just being lazy.

    Learning styles differ. I know people who learn very quickly when they are mentored. They are quick to master things, but their traditional research skills are weak. Helping them to find the resources they need and cull out the dreck that isn't worth their time is what they need.

    "Grasshopper, when you can read the packet from the frame buffer..." is not what they are looking for. They just want someone who is already there to shout, "Over here!" once or twice a day so that they run in the right direction.
  • I talked with a recruiter from TOAS (A company that employs UNIX admins and hires their services out to other companies) a couple of months ago. She told me that the demand for good Linux administrators was definately on the rise.

    "You ever have that feeling where you're not sure if you're dreaming or awake?"

  • I didn't have any trouble learning Unix while I was in high school (not that the school helped in educating me about computers or any other subject). During my short time at college, I found that there was no way I would learn anything about Unix there, and plenty of people with CS degrees couldn't so much as understand the concept of a directory hierarchy.

    Anyone who can read can learn about Unix. With the proliferation of the internet, it's not even necessary to spend a penny on books. Hell, a copy of Redhat alone would be sufficient to learn more about Linux than most sysadmins ever bother to learn.

    If you're constantly asking someone questions in an attempt to learn the basics of Unix, then you're just being lazy. Coworkers ask me about a dozen questions a day, almost all of them are in readily available documentation. Some are site specific. Decent questions are rare.
  • I don't know if a Linux-jobs-only setting is the way to go. But I definitely think that some job boards would attract attention if they had a way to indicate that development would be done on Linux machines.
  • "Even though there is new Linux certification it's not as highly respected as that of MSCE."

    But why is the MSCE so highly respected? Not just because it comes from Microsoft, but also because it has been around for a while and obviously big corporations believe that it means they will get good people. Perception is reality folks.

    I have worked with two MSCEs. One was both an MSCE and a MCD - he was brilliant. The other had just gone to a bunch of classes and had no real-world experience, he sucked. He was convinced that reboot was the fix to everything.

    Going to a MSCE course and then passing the test no more makes you a good Admin, then being in a barn makes you a good cow. However, to extend the analogy you have a better chance to find a cow in a barn then in the population of earth as a whole.

    Give the Linux cert. some time. It could become a very good thing. However, no amount of book learning can be a substitute for real world practice. Why not make some time in the real-world be a qualifier for a second enhanced cert.? A couple of good recommendations and a resume should serve as a substitute.

    Nate Custer
  • Well since I commented today on the market of linux might as well comment on the marketers of linux. Many company's are begining to see that linux is just like that pretty solaris box that they're competition has. They're also realizing the price behind linux. (free).

    Granted linux isn't all free it sure can make those commerical unix's and NT a run for their money. You could run a perfectly stable HTTP server for your company along with a proxy server and hey even an email server on a distribution made 2 years ago. Now that's stability for ya.

    But now I'm begining to ramble off topic so I'll jump back. The other problem we're seeing today is that linux isn't the easiest thing to manage and the transition from NT to linux isn't at all easy. So what do you do? Hire someone to help ya out. Security and Working ability are what make linux strong, but you have to make them that way and most people (not most slashdot readers) don't know how to do that.

    The problem? Big companies see MSCE as the end-all-be-all of computer maintenance. Even though there is new linux certification it's not as highly respected as that of MSCE. So where do you go from here? Basically the biggest market for linux in the workplace would be contracting. Just get a job here and get a job there. We're starting to see permanent workplaces for linux, but the jobs don't seem that interesting considering if you jump feet first into a company you'll be greated with the most computer illiterate people out there. So unless you want to be a technical support, sysadmin, and all around computer guy most jobs in the linux world today won't be for you.

  • As a high school student now, I think a apprenticeship section would be great. I have spend the past three summers programming in VBA because that is the jobs I could get. I am beginning to gain experience with Linux, however the best way to learn is to have a network to practice on. Ever tried to learn NFS with a standalone machine. It is not easy.

    I have found the HOWTO's to be a great help. Thanks to all who maintain them. However, as many are quick to point out there is nothing like experience. An Intern or Apprenticeship section for people to gain experience would be great. I would love to get a job as such.

    If you have installfests to help newbies, why not an Internship program? I work at a lot less then the normal Admin, am willing to work crazy hours, and spend a lot more time learning my craft then many of the Admins I have met. I get good experience, my employer gets cheap labor. Who losses?

    My LUG is great but, I want hands on experience before I tell an employer I can be his primary Admin. For a Admin department who needs some help but doesn't have a great deal of cash, I'm perfect.

    I recently read a thread that complained about how Admins were responsible for most of the security wholes, why not educate them.

    Have a take a geek to work week or something. If you want to convince Admins to use Linux, train them when they are young. Linux's price and idealism are most congruent with a young and idyllic kid.

    That's just my $.02.

    Nate Custer
  • by Imortus ( 133449 ) on Monday January 17, 2000 @07:45PM (#1363522)
    What I'd like to see next is a listing of apprenticeships to mold future ufies in the right direction. Unix seems to be a difficult platform to be taught without
    A) Knowing someone who has the patience, time and desire to help you out or
    B) Paying big bucks to a school.

    Granted, anyone can get a copy of an O/S, but it may be just as alien to most people as DOS was to our mothers so long ago.

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