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Journal TamMan2000's Journal: We're not leaving yet.... 11

My fiance and I have been thinking about leaving the US for a while now, although we have not decided for sure that we will leave. We definitely know that we will be here until she is done with her education (~2-4 more years).

The apparent Bush win is only reducing our confidence in the people of this country (But honestly a Kerry win wouldn't have been very encouraging, unless it was a blowout). But fear of four more years of this administration is not what is motivating us. It is really fear of what the populous that elected him will elect next and how long all this neo-conservative shit will last. We really feel that the administration is a symptom of the problems, not the source. It is a real shame, our constitution is so nice, and I don't think the fundamentals of any other country are as good as they are here, but the practical matters are becoming overwhelmingly important.

Something that is bothering me more and more is that I think the economic collapse of the states is likely in the next 15-40 years, and I don't want my (unborn) kids to have to be at the heart of that. And even if there is no collapse, there will certainly be very high taxes, without high levels of government services provided at some point during their lives given the willingness of 'conservatives' in the government to run enormous deficits (which are just a tax on the future).

Politically, we are both quasi-socialist civil libertarians, and a government which fits that bill is a plus, the civil liberties being a higher priority than the socialism. We are also both atheists and would prefer a place where religion is not thrust upon you in your daily life (we don't mind if most of our neighbors are devoutly religious, as long as they aren't trying to convert our kids/us and the public policy is not influenced too much by religion). We also need a place were being intelligent is not looked down on. Good publicly available education is a must. And we must be able to find work. My fiance is a Ph.D. student in cosmology and would like to be a professor (we would be happy to start out somewhere else with her as a post-doc though). A research university is preferable to an instruction only institution, but instruction only is alright as well. My job is a lower priority (especially if you can live a modest life on one income). I am a scientific programmer/computational scientist/aerospace engineer. I am also willing to go back to school to teach high school math or physics.

That covers the necessities. Now on to the things that would be nice, but not essential. Cold winters are better than hot summers. We like densely populated small urban areas (think American college towns), cultural diversity being a plus. We intend to learn local languages, but we currently only speak English, and very limited Spanish, so being able to get by only knowing English (or perhaps even living someplace where all business is conducted in English) is a plus. We are also both fairly avid cyclists, so some place with good cycling in the area (and practical commuting by cycle) would be nice.

We are thinking about Switzerland, Sweden, Canada, The Netherlands, Germany, and France.

Other suggestions and comments on the countries I have listed are encouraged.

Oh yeah, if all you are going to say is good riddance, don't bother replying...

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We're not leaving yet....

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  • The thought of Bush being a syptom is scary....

    I'm well qualified to comment on Canada. I live in BC. Decent weather (compared to the rest of Canada), universal health care, few jobs where I live (Nelson), but Vancouver is ok. Still much harder to find work than in the US. Vancouver is the most cosmopolitian city I've ever been in, including NY, SF, Paris, etc. It also has some great schools.(UBC/SFU)

    The best thing about Canada is that we're a lot like you, without the neo-con nutcases, although the US is

    • My fiance told me about time cube! It was freakin' hiilarious...

      And tam was my major in undergrad. It is an obscure subset of engineering, Theoretical and Applied Mechanics. Think of the intersection of aerospace, mechanical, and civil, with more physics and theory, and less emphasis on design and manufacturing. We were hated by most of the other engineers because our classes were too mathematically rigorous, and they had to take them... I focused on computational mechanics, and since graduation I hav
  • has done a lot of research on what he call the creative class [creativeclass.org] which both you and your fiance appear to be members of. He studies the attributes of various places to determine what makes them attractive to the creative class since he claims that attracting creatives does more to improve a community than other methods of economic development such as tax breaks to corporations and naive building of bike trails all over the place.

    There have been quite a few articles based on this book, but they tend to focu
  • well. there's always berkeley, ca. :)

    e-mail if you have specific questions about berkeley....
    • I like the town I am in... Ithaca, NY (I don't know how many votes Bush got here, but I wouldn't be suprised if Nader got more)

      The local people aren't the problem, it is the people in the rest of the country that think it is OK to invade a country preemptivly, and tell us that gays can't get married, even if their doing so doesn't hurt them...
  • Something that is bothering me more and more is that I think the economic collapse of the states is likely in the next 15-40 years

    If you think the USA is going to collapse economically and you are trying to avoid living through that, you would be best to choose somewhere that is not a major trading partner with the US (aka Canada for one). If the US economy tanks hard (not like this little dot com recession), it will take several of it's major trading partners down with it. When Japan's economy went thr
  • Look up ANU in Canberra Australia and the research schools
  • From what I hear, Switzerland is a socialist nation, so you might want to try that, just because its different. Also, I think most Swiss people speak english natively so there shouldn't be a large language barrier in older towns, but don't quote me on that. Switzerland is probably really nice if you don't mind a bit of cold weather. But thats just me.

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