Are Free Certifications Helpful? 14
orangecat asks: "I just took the Linux Administration Certification test at brainbench.com, a company which provides free certification in many categories, both technical and non-technical. Would listing these free certifications on a resume be helpful, neutral, or a hindrance, particularly for someone with little or no relevant job experience, formal education, or "real" certifications? If so, are there any sites for free (or low cost) certification that are particularly recommended/respected?"
I don't think so.... (Score:2)
Certifications Help!! (Score:2)
I have interviewed grads, people with certificates and people with solely work experience. I think that people with certificates can be the best of both as they often times have experience, targeted training and they tend to be older with more real world experience.
It may be a good idea to have some materials with you upon interview that speak to the particular certificate or curriculum undertaken.
Re:How's this for ironic. (Score:1)
Mike
Certifications are now a waste of time. (Score:1)
When I qualified for my CBE (Certified Banyan Engineer) 5 years ago it needed a lot of study, and the ability to think. You certainly couldn't pass this exam purely by regurgitating facts (or opinions, based on some of the MS sample questions I've seen). One exam consisted mainly of parsing sequences of protocol hex-dumps. Heck, most MCSEs I've met don't even know what hex is!
Nowadays anyone with enough money (or an employer with enough money), can obtain a certification.
Bill the Bastard has a lot to answer for.
They can be, but don't depend on them (Score:1)
HR people, and even techies doing the hiring tend to have certain checkboxes that they look for on a resume. If someone meets all or most of the boxes, they get put into a maybe pile. Otherwise, they get put into a round receptacle.
After that, someone will take a few more minutes to actually read the resume to see if there's anything good. So while certifications may help you make the first cut, they probably won't take you farther than that.
It also depends on whether or not the certification is meaningful to the reader. Chances are, no one has heard of or trusts the free ones. While it may impress the ignorant, it's not going to get you any farther than that. For example, I have Wilton's Level II certification. Sounds impressive? Maybe, but what does it mean? Nothing really, unless you're hiring cake decorators.
The real question you should ask yourself is "What job do I want to do?" Then find out what kinds of places are hiring for type of job, and then find out if the companies are looking certification (and if so, what kind) and THEN worry about getting certified.
If you want more job-seeking advice, you should check out Ask the HeadHunter [asktheheadhunter.com]. It takes a somewhat innovative, and very gutsy approach to job seeking, but to my mind, he makes a lot of sense.
From someone who interviews people... (Score:4)
...from my perspective, I only consider two "Certifications" worth anything:
Both have achieved the goals of a good certification system:
For obvious reasons, things such as an official Professional Engineer cert carry heavy weight.
However, I can't see how any certification is worth anything without some pre-existing experience to give it meaning.
My best advice to you is this: You're obviously looking for an entry-level position. You can list them on the resume, which won't hurt, and might actually help get you the interview (since HR still does some pre-screening of applications). However, it won't matter one little bit in the interview; what matters here is your ability to communicate what you do know, what the limits of your knowledge are (and BE HONEST), and your fit into their environment (fast learning ability? Steady work ethic? Dependable schedule? Coding Genius? Team player?)
In short, having those Certs might might add slightly to your chances of getting your foot in the door, but it's up to you to perform in the interview, which is what really determines whether you get an offer or not.
-Erik
Re:Certifications are now a waste of time. (Score:2)
No, the proliferation of clueless MCSE's make the MCSE useless. Many certification programs still require a lot of thought and training; the Cisco programs come immediately to mind.
I got a few MCPs in a previous life, and I can assure you that the problem is not with the testors, but with the tests themselves. The assumptions that are made are ridiculous and show a flagrant disregard for reality. When I took it, the Win95 test was about 50% to 60% focused on upgrading Windows 3.1 and DOS compatibility. The Windows NT test was so oriented on their interfaces that they glazed over the functionality. Who cares if you know what a subnet mask is, as long as you know where to click to set it?
I think the rush to blame certifications themselves is a little misguided. This is an example of certain certifications clouding everyone's mind about all certifications. (This is also, by the way, why people expect that computers crash regularly... because most of them (i.e., Windows boxen) do.)
What I've found is these individuals make themselves stand out soon enough. How does that John Andrew Holmes quote go? If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance. The owners of these paper certifications, if they are serious about their chose (and fabricated!) career, they will overcome their initial limitations and learn something. If they don't, or if they're not serious about their career, they'll end up in the same place for years and years, or until they get fired.
How's this for ironic. (Score:1)
I'm in a bind. In a way I know it would be helpful for my future if I were to get this just to brighten my resume, but I'm also afraid it may hurt me considering I'd rather a job administrating Linux/UNIX serves rather then the disgusting NT.
Anyways, the training is free, so I'm in the process of doing it. Just figured I'd rant a tad...
Re:No relevant experience? (Score:2)
My specific problem is that I'm apply to a place with a rather out of date application. It asks about a lot of stuff that just isn't all that relevant anymore (I know the technological level of this organization...it isn't because they don't have new technology available, it's because their HR department designed the application 8 years ago or so and doesn't realize it needs to be updated :), and doesn't ask about the more recent technology which I do have experience with. This application is then presumably evaluated on some quantitative basis, and I get tossed because my quantifiable knowledge doesn't add up to some score.
So the certifications would basically just be something quantifiable to put on the application to hopefully get my foot in the door. I have no illusions that they're going to help if I don't actually have the skills. But I feel that, if I could get an interview, I'd be able to show that I do know what I'm doing. I just need a chance to get that far.
No relevant experience? (Score:5)
My suggestion to you is to pickup relevant experience on your own. If you are looking for a developer position; create your own app that shows of your skill (mine was an online survey that used Java servlets and an Oracle database). If you want to be a sysadmin, create a page that documents your skills and resurrect some old machines and manage a home network. Remember, the one thing employers value more than certificates and degrees, is an ability to work and a penchant for learning because the rest can always be bought later. After all several people who are being educated at the expense of their employers because of their potential. The key here is that you are trying to get a job with the certificates as your only source of legitimacy. Especially since it is trivial for one person to amass several certificates simply by scoring above average on an online multiple choice test [thock.com]. I suggest using online certificates simply as coating on the cake. If you have no relevant job experience or formal education I suggest scratching some of your personal itches. I'm currently working at a Fortune 500 company designing and implementing an extensible, regression testing framework for large B2B websites they plan to launch later this year. Besides getting a good salary my rent, cable and phone are paid for by them (because I'm an intern). The interesting thing is that the clincher that got me hired was work I had done on my own free time during spring break.
Re:How's this for ironic. (Score:1)
Linux is only Free if your time is worth Nothing
Re:Certifications are now a waste of time. (Score:2)
Shoot! That's easy. It's a wrench. I usually have to think a spell before I can answer the tough ones.
Re:They can be, but don't depend on them (Score:1)
HR people, and even techies doing the hiring tend to have certain checkboxes that they look for on a resume.
This used to be true, but less so nowadays. My recruitment pattern for the last year or so has been project managers scratching around desperately for particular skillsets, then recruiting individuals by word of mouth. Interviews are a formality, because you basically landed the job as soon as an intermediary (who trusts your skills, because they worked with you earlier) tells the PM (who trusts the intermediary, because they've also worked together) that you have A Clue in a relevant area.
There Are Only Twelve People Working In (UK) Ecommerce (tm). The usual question now is "Who did you work with at boo / Nationwide / Virgin?", then a quiet phonecall afterwards.
Re:How's this for ironic. (Score:1)