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Comment: Re:Pao Wants "Safe Spaces" for Shills and Ideologu (Score 1) 312 312

The users are eyeballs for the advertising. If enough of them leave, reddit will die. Digg is a tired but apt example of exactly where reddit is heading.

Is this specific incident gonna kill reddit.. of course not, but the "it's our site, we do what we want" attitude over time will. Reddit doesn't produce content, it provides and environment for others to produce content, and benefits from their presence via ad views. If those users stop liking the environment, they'll pick up and move elsewhere, and without a user base, reddit is done.

Comment: Re:Indeed (Score 1) 312 312

Yes, that's how the whole world works. You really think it doesn't work that way on reddit? Only complete fucking idiots would think otherwise.

I never said reddit didn't work that way (infact, pretty sure I explicitly said it did). For that matter, when did reddit even come into this discussion, my post and the one I originally responded to have mostly been about 4chan...

No, they are taken seriously... seriously enough to be worth harassing. You have that backwards.

Usually people ignore anything they've said and just tell them to drop the trip/etc. The fact that they are trying to have an identity on an anonymous board may be taken seriously, but usually whatever they've said isn't.

Comment: Re:Indeed (Score 1) 312 312

The big difference is that just about anywhere else, people posting anonymously or with an obviously throw away identity are treated as lesser. Here on slashdot (and on reddit) a post by an established identity holds a lot more weight, and the previous behaviour of said identity may also weigh heavily on how the comment is perceived.

It can also take time to build up an identity, and a lot of people value their online identity to a point where they are hesitant to post controversial opinions for fear of ruining it. Yes I can close this account on slashdot if I posted something so hateful that people would immediately jump on any unrelated post I made under it, but I'd be hesitant to do so.

4chan is significantly different in that everyone is expected to be anonymous to a point where people trying to have an established identity without a good reason are harassed and usually not taken seriously. It creates an interesting post-by-post level playing field (as it's often not even clear if the person who counters a response is even the same person who made the original comment). And of course because no one is protecting an established identity, they are free to post whatever the hell they want.

Comment: Re:Pao Wants "Safe Spaces" for Shills and Ideologu (Score 2) 312 312

Agree, but they should have had a much better response prepared.

It's like if you suddenly fire the company rep that your main customer has been dealing with exclusively for years. You don't just call them up and say "hey, Joe's no longer with us, we'll get back to you in a bit about his replacement."

Comment: Re:Indeed (Score 1) 312 312


I've been involved in some really amazing discussions on 4chan, and honestly if you avoid /b/ and a few others, the other boards tend to be surprisingly sane.

There's some serious gold under the shit, and it's very cathartic to speak freely with effectively no consequence to yourself (or even an online identity). You can say the most hatefully insane thing you've ever wanted to say in one post, and then immediately make some comment with no connection between the two.

Comment: Re:Industrial accidents happen (Score 1) 313 313

Places I've worked it was a clip like thing with several holes for an actual padlock. The person doing the work keeps the key with them until they are done and there is a big warning tag with all the info on it (who to contact, etc). The clips have multiple holes so if different people are working in different areas, they all have their own lock/key. In cases where something can't actually be locked out (usually if a machine has to be left on but not actually used) a sentry is posted.

I imagine they have similar controls. This sounds like a case of someone getting lazy with procedure, as happens many times a day all around the world. Certainly nothing about it being a robot is all that important.. could have just as easily been any other piece of industrial equipment.

Comment: Re:Goodbye free speech (Score 1) 209 209

I suspect that the death penalty is different from incarceration however - in that I truly believe it doesn't have much deterrent effect at all.
In areas where you have gang violence and the like - why be scared of execution your chances of being killed is so high to begin with that if anything sitting on death row increases your life expectancy.
For the suburb case there are basically three common motives for murder.
Crimes of passion: by definition these cannot be deterred, a crime of passion is an emotional act done in the moment, it doesn't include any rational thought - if it had, it wouldn't be a crime of passion, so since there is no rational consideration, there is no deterrence for it.
Crimes of insanity: again, a crazy person isn't thinking rationally, since their acts are not rationally considered, no rational consideration can deter them.
Crimes of greed: the guy who murders out of greed did make a rational decision - but he also believes he will get away with it (nobody murders out of greed if he expects to get caught) - so the punishment isn't a deterrent as he strongly expects never to experience it.

It's unlikely the death penalty has any deterrent effect whatsoever. I'm still not sure incarceration does - though like I said in the original post, it obviously reduces your odds of committing the crime again if only by making it impossible for a while.
Comparing crime rates across countries is never a very useful comparison (just look at every gun control debate) as there are simply too many factors (socio-economic, environmental etc.) which influence crime rates but are not being factored in for, but a more useful comparison is to look at countries where the death penalty was banned - and see how crime rates before and after compared.
The answer in every country I know about is - immediately before and after they were the same, over the longer term crime rates declined, but only by the same rate they were declining before.
So the conclusion appears to be that banning the death penalty had no impact whatsoever on crime rates anywhere it's been done.

Interestingly - here in South Africa the death penalty was banned in 1994. At the time South Africa had the highest crime rate in the world (a murder every 17 seconds). It declined rapidly over the next few years, but this is likely because so much of that crime was political in nature and the politcal environment had changed. Since 2000 there has been a steady decline (while the crime rate is still unacceptably high we are nowhere near the top of the list anymore) - yet calls to reinstate the death penalty remain incredibly popular among the population, one of the few things South Africans of all races actually agree on.
Personally I'm opposed to it, but I find it interesting that it's such a popular concept despite the fact that it very obviously had no impact on crime rates at all - yet it's deterrent effect is the most commonly cited reason for bringing it back. Which proves, I suppose, that what we consider "common sense" will trump facts and evidence every time.

Comment: Re:Goodbye free speech (Score 1) 209 209

If that is the methodology then indeed it would be the lowest - since they have the longest sentences, and so the the biggest gap where you can't repeat the crime, also that long gap in it must reduce the risk of going back to it (if only because it breaks your networks).

I strongly suspect that if you count "number of times the crime was likely committed before you were caught the first time" that for rape it is near the top - the rate of rapes occurring versus the amount of actual rapists suggest this almost has to be the case.

Murder is interesting as it's usually a very high profile crime with a lot of media attention - so police tend to have a lot of motivation to get the guy, this may reduce the number of times you can get away with it before you are caught. But even then it varies by who the victim is.
The likelihood of getting away with killing a white girl is simply much lower than if you kill a black man - society just cares less in the latter case, and so the police does as well.

Comment: Re:Goodbye free speech (Score 1) 209 209

Actually that conclusion doesn't follow even if you accept the premise. Most severe crimes are committed by repeat offenders who commit them many times - over and over.

So even if you accept the premise that prison has no deterent effect (a premise not entirely without merit I guess) it still doesn't follow that without a justice system crime rates would be unchanged - simply because it doesn't account for the crimes not committed while serving your sentence.

Comment: Re:Infinity (Score 1) 1067 1067

I mentioned the +/- zero thing in another comment elsewhere in this tree, actually! So we're all on board there.

It's not really that signless infinity is a contender for 'consensus' inasmuch as number systems which use signless infinity have utilities different from systems that have signed infinities, just like integer math continues to exist despite the 'improvements' of fractions and decimals.

Comment: Re:Please fix slashdot (Score 2) 116 116

So much this.

It's such a small change but it totally screws up a flow we've had forever and which made perfect sense. Read title, read summary, read number of comments, click to read said comments. Now it's, read title, read summary, look to upper right to see number of comments, then move mouse back to title to read them (I'm sure I'm not the only one who moves the mouse along as I read).

And yeah, the weird floating videobytes thing.. that's gotta go.

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