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Journal pudge's Journal: Democrats for McCain 10

I don't know of anyone who is right-leaning, or even moderate, Republican who is voting for Obama. Just a few on the left. But there's plenty of moderate and left-leaning Democrats supporting McCain. The latest McCain video is going to have an impact, letting Democrats know it's OK to vote for McCain. We've even got Democrats helping us man the GOP booth at the Evergreen State Fair (and many of them are supporting both Dino Rossi and John McCain).

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Democrats for McCain

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  • First, the whole "Obamacans" thing is largely a sham... a political Potemkin Village. Most of the self described Republicans supporting Obama are of the "moderate" stripe that, if you do some digging, you'll find that they've given a lot of money to Democrats. Many supported Kerry in 2004. Susan Eisenhower is a prime example. She just officially quit the party, but in truth, she hasn't been a Republican for a long, long time now.

    There is no great movement of Republicans for Obama. Nor is there a huge moveme

    • by pudge ( 3605 ) * Works for Slashdot

      As for the Hillary supporter in the McCain ads.... Debra Bartoshevich... she's now been stripped of her delegate status at the DNC. But Mac's ads have been devastatingly effective of late, have they not?

      Yeah, and it probably would have been MORE effective if they noted the fact that she was stripped of her delegate status BECAUSE she said she would support McCain.

      • I've heard a couple of interviews with her on a local talk radio show (she's from my state). At least on this interview, she seemed fairly intelligent though it wouldn't surprise me if there isn't a little attention-seeking behind the whole thing. But I also got a very strong feeling that the state Democratic party could have actually talked to her about her concerns instead of the cold, impersonal and actually rather rude way they dumped her she probably would never have turned into the enemy. From the beg
  • I still disagree with him on a lot of issues, but he has a crack team doing his ads. The recent one on his website just hours after Obama's VP choice was brilliant. And looking through the other ads there were pretty impressive too. If I could actually believe in McCain on a number of issues I'd be all fired up.

    McCain was the media's golden child (grand-pappy?) for a long time because of his "maverick" antics. The media has been trying to whitewash that history now by painting him as Bush-Jr-Jr, but wil

    • by pudge ( 3605 ) * Works for Slashdot

      I agree with much of what many conservatives say about McCain, but you need to remember, his voting record matters more than his rhetoric, and throughout his time in office, he has a very conservative voting record.

      You'll never have a perfect match. Reagan was in agreement with McCain on immigration, and had a much WORSE history on abortion than McCain.

      I am proud to have McCain as the Republican candidate.

  • ... but then again, I've always been a fan of McCain because he tends to sit in the middle from time to time.
  • My first political awareness was of Reagan (yes, I'm relatively young, gimmie a break *grins*) and I remember supporting him and Bush strongly. I wasn't terribly upset by Clinton's time in office, but I wasn't terribly impressed either, and when I was first able to vote in 2000 I voted for Bush as a registered Independent.

    After eight years, I'm a registered Independent again (after shifting my registration to Democrat specifically so I could vote for anyone-but-Hillary) and I'm liking more of what I hear f

    • by pudge ( 3605 ) * Works for Slashdot

      I'm liking more of what I hear from Obama.

      For me, I'm going the opposite of the old truism--as I get older, I find myself being increasingly concerned with more traditionally liberal issues like environmentalism and helping out the poor

      You can help out the poor without government. What about the law that says federal assistance to the poor is, essentially, unconstitutional?

      Again, it's leftwing lawlessness. And when the left abandons the law, then pretty soon you have nothing left, except for what they deem you should have.

      It's rule of law versus rule of man. Do you trust your fellow man enough to respect your rights when the time comes? Or do you want laws protecting those rights, and people who respect those laws?

      At the end of the day I'm still undecided. McCain has not been impressing me with the way he's running his campaign, in particular the way he's been having his statements contradicted by his campaign employees on television and such.

      Such as?

      So what does a middle of the road-ish fiscal conservative social liberal do in today's climate?

      Vote against

      • by Zeriel ( 670422 )

        Y'see, I see McCain's support for Bush Administration policies on enemy combatants, wiretapping, and similar things to be more antithetical to America right now than leaning more socialist--since I feel many of the administration policies go against the Bill of Rights and later laws that regulate use of intelligence-gathering organs indiscriminately against American citizens. Frankly, I'm more scared of losing my rights concerning search, seizure, self-incrimination, and assembly than I am of paying more t

        • by pudge ( 3605 ) * Works for Slashdot

          Y'see, I see McCain's support for Bush Administration policies on enemy combatants, wiretapping, and similar things

          By "support" you mean "opposition," right? It was McCain who opposed Bush on significant matters related to enemy combatants, and we got better laws made because of McCain.

          ... to be more antithetical to America right now than leaning more socialist--since I feel many of the administration policies go against the Bill of Rights and later laws that regulate use of intelligence-gathering organs indiscriminately against American citizens.

          You're not getting it. The philosophical basis of the Democratic Party of today denies that the Bill of Rights even has any force of law at all. Oh, and Clinton and the Democrats were for warrantless wiretapping before they were against it.

          Frankly, I'm more scared of losing my rights concerning search, seizure, self-incrimination, and assembly than I am of paying more taxes on helping the poor, if either party is folding, spindling, and mutilating the Constitution anyway.

          My point was not about taxes. My point was about ignoring the Constitution and losing liberty.

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