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Journal pudge's Journal: Clinton Goof 5

Watching "Reliable Sources" on CNN today, only one out of six people though that Chis Wallace's questioning of Clinton was in any way inappropriate. And that one happened to be a far left liberal web site guy, John Aravosis. Even Arianna Huffington thought it was just fine.

And Aravosis could not even back up his claim that Wallace did something wrong. Instead, he talked about how it's refreshing that Clinton went into some detail about the issue. Well fine, but that's entirely beside the point that Clinton raised, which was that Wallace was somehow out of bounds to ask the question.

When pressed for a defense of Clinton's claim that Wallace's questioning was a "conservative hit job," he blurted out the tired old ad hominem refrain of the left, "well, it's FOX News!" Except, of course, that this is not merely FOX News, it's FOX News Sunday, a show that existed long before FOX News ever did, and is aired on the main FOX network, and is widely considered to be very fair (by people who actually know something about it, anyway).

And the rest of Aravosis' defense amounted to, well, the right is always attacking Clinton, so this is how he responds to that. Kurtz asked the obvious question: "Why is it in an attack?" Aravosis had no answer. It was amazing. He misrepresented what Wallace did (said Wallace claimed a certain book attacked Clinton, when he in fact did no such thing), and then went on to talk about the ABC movie from a few weeks ago, which Wallace was not a part of, and didn't bring up.

It was just amazing watching Aravosis accuse Wallace of things he didn't do, and blame Wallace for things other people have done, in an attempt to justify Clinton's actions.

I thought Wallace did a very good job in the interview, except for two points. First, his first question, I thought, should have had more detail in it, been more specific. Anyone who knows the real facts (as best they can be known) knows Clinton didn't do a lot that he could have, and there are many specific examples.

My second problem with Wallace's interview is that once Clinton opened the door to all this and then came back with incorrect statements of his own, I wish Wallace would have challenged Clinton. Clinton said, "I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill him," but there are many examples where he explicitly refused to give such authorization. Clinton said, "The CIA and the FBI refused to certify that bin Laden was responsible (for the Cole attack)," but Clinton had the authority to act regardless, or to go to Congress if he felt he needed to. Clinton said Clarke got demoted, but most people (other than Clarke) didn't think so at the time. And finally, and most importantly, Clinton kept bringing up Clarke, yet Clarke said -- more than anyone else, before or since -- that Clinton's administration repeatedly bungled opportunities to get Bin Laden.

Clinton's main problem (he even said the questions were legitimate!) was that, as Aravosis said, the questions came from someone at FOX News. Well, boo hoo. Sorry, but saying "I don't mind being asked that, but not by YOU" of a journalist that you agreed to sit down with makes you look like a baby or a moron.

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Clinton Goof

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  • I like Bill Clinton. I think that much of his inaction was a good thng for the country. That's not a backhanded compliment. Understand from my line of sight the biggest proboem in Government is Geovernment trying to help things. Like "Clippy".

    Also I think Bill Clinton (blow job aside) was a good frontman to America.

    That said he looked like an ass and is clearly going down the Jimmy Carter path of worst ex President ever. Of course, unlike Jimmy, Bill wasn't the worst President ever.

    The silent stoicism
    • That said he looked like an ass...

      Was it the leaning over getting into Chris Wallace's face, the wagging of the finger (a la "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"), the crazed look in his eyes at times, or the conspiracy talk and left-wing wacko lingo/epithets (e.g. "neocon")?

      I don't like Bill Clinton. But not for failing to get OBL. I don't blame either of our last three presidents or their administrations -- we as a people weren't of the right mindset yet, and when is govt. ever not dysfunctio
      • by pudge ( 3605 ) *
        I do blame Clinton for several things in his failing to get OBL. For example, his refusal to command the military to go into Afghanistan after the Cole just because intelligence would not sign off on the notion that OBL did it. Sorry, but the evidence for al Qaeda being involved -- whether it pointed directly to OBL or not -- was much stronger than our evidence for WMD in Iraq, and if the intelligence agencies won't sign off on it, so what? You're the freaking President.

        I blame him for not being a leader
        • I also blame him for repeatedly refusing to allow our allies to try to kill OBL.

          That just doesn't make sense. Explain. How could he stop someone from trying to kill OBL? Is the finger wag THAT powerful? "Now don't you go killing Osama" while wagging finger.

          • by pudge ( 3605 ) *
            That just doesn't make sense. Explain. How could he stop someone from trying to kill OBL? Is the finger wag THAT powerful? "Now don't you go killing Osama" while wagging finger.

            Don't make me quote from the 9/11 Report!

            OK, I will. There were two basic problems: first, not allowing them to try to kill OBL, but only doing so in the context of an attempt to capture him. Second, rampant confusion about what this meant.

            The principals began considering other,more aggressive covert alternatives using the tribals.

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