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I'm a loyal Democrat but I have loyalties that are greater than those to my party, and that's my loyalty to my state and my country.

I've been mulling the above quote over in my mind. A lot of Democrats seem to be angered by this. I can't, for the life of me, figure out why. I'd be angered by anyone for whom this wasn't true, and anyone angered by this quote is someone I'd not only distance myself from, but be encouraged to make sure never got into any sort of political power.

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  • It is a rather direct way of saying, "What my party is currently doing is wrong." And since most people do not like hearing that they are wrong, well, you get the idea.

    Had Joe won the primary in '04, I would have voted for him in november. I am willing to rebuke the republicans for their actions, but not willing to throw out all of my beliefs by voting for Kerry.

    There is something to be said for party loyalty, as large groups of similarly minded folks can accomplish more than an individual (when it comes
    • I would not have voted for Lieberman for President, but I agree that there may be some Democrats, like Lieberman, I would have voted for over Bush. But Kerry wasn't one of them, obviously. Lieberman, despite my agreements with him on international policy, and my generally favorable opinion of him, is still too fiscally and socially liberal for me.

      And I am not eschewing party loyalty. I agree it's important. But it must be secondary to national loyalty (well, except perhaps unless your party's policy is
      • Oh My Goodness! I can only imagine what a Vet would say...

        States ahead of Nation?

        Loyalty to the states...Over the nation... Ohhhhkay. So, that would be important if one wants to get appropriation/funding for a local districts' boondogle project or something. Maybe for a politician, but I think Joe Blow should start his focus on patriotism and thusly, nationalistic.

        I mean, our people are getting more apathetic toward USA (thanks media). Look at our voting turnout. Its bad enough to try and make the peop
        • States ahead of Nation?

          Why not? That's how it was, and was meant to be, when our nation was first established.

          • States ahead of Nation? Why not? That's how it was, and was meant to be, when our nation was first established.

            Because times have changed. I'm in favor of limiting the federal government as severly as possible (since so many of the Constitutional limitations have long ago vanished). Deferring powers to the state & local municipalities would be ideal - but it just isn't working like that. Instead putting states ahead of Nation now means getting whatever you can in pork from the Feds. "Afterall, I'

            • Because times have changed.

              Says you. You're talking about mere personal preference, and why should I care about your personal preference?

              I'm in favor of limiting the federal government as severly as possible (since so many of the Constitutional limitations have long ago vanished).

              I am not. I am for limiting it as much as is required by the Constitution.

              Deferring powers to the state & local municipalities would be ideal - but it just isn't working like that.

              So that makes Constitutional violations to th
            • "Afterall, I'm just taking care of my constituents. Everybody does it so why shouldn't I, so what if it will cause a huge federal deficit, huge increases in federal taxes or insolvency or a combination of all three."

              No, that's just a person with low morals. If we could have less of such people in office, we'd be much better off.

              Hell, not just in office, but that's another journal entry :)

        • Loyalty to the states...Over the nation... Ohhhhkay. So, that would be important if one wants to get appropriation/funding for a local districts' boondogle project or something. Maybe for a politician, but I think Joe Blow should start his focus on patriotism and thusly, nationalistic.

          I think you are mis-reading his quote. The way I read it was that loyalties to his state and country override that of his party. I dont see him saying the state loyalties OVERRIDE the loyalty to his country. You are readi

  • It's why lib Dems are fighting Lieberman - because they believe that he's bad enough for the nation that he's worth distracting the party from the main goal, which is to pick up six seats in the Senate.
    • Well, it is why SOME liberal Democrats are fighting Lieberman. Many others think it is a bad idea, because he is enough of an ally that it's not worth the distraction.

      Still, I do not doubt that they believe, also, that it is most important to put the nation first. But what I do not get is why this quote is in any way controversial.
  • A lot of Democrats seem to be angered by this. I can't, for the life of me, figure out why.

    It's obvious to me, once I had noticed something in particular about Liberal Democrats -- they have a "win at all costs" mindset. There's no time right now for respecting diversity of opinion within the party, they're busy desperately trying to figure out a way to win back power. Since's that's the #1 goal, if a respected senior senator (and veep candidate) has to be jettisoned, them's the breaks.

    They no doubt care ab
  • If only (any of) our civic teacher do their job, we wouldn't be in such a mess.

    The correct order of observance and reverence are:

    1. God
    2. Country
    3. Your wife
    4. Family
    5. You
    6. Work
    6. Friends
    7. Political Parties

    Anyone who contest to this list is either overworked, overbearing, selfish or a zealot.

    No, this is not a troll (ducking...)
    • Wow, that's a shady list.

      Frankly, mine goes more like thus:

      1. God (whatever it is you trust based partially on faith, Reason/Science/Philosophy counts for you atheists as long as it informs some kind of morality)
      2. My Spouse
      3. Friends
      4. Me
      5. Work
      6. Country
      7. Family
      8. Party

      I look at it this way: I value associations I choose over associations I did not choose. I value most of the associations I choose above myself, but not the ones I'm essentially forced to choose (like work, for example). I value family

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