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  • What's the deal with Sen. Clinton (NY) lamenting that the flag amendment should have been written as a law, instead?

    Apart from aforementioned providing election year ammo for the GOP (particularly Main Street Republican Party), why would the Democratic Party continue to pour cement into their own shoes?
  • If tin whistles are made of tin, what do they make fog horns out of?
  • Other than Captain America, probably no other superhero represented America more than Superman. But in the latest movie, Superman is clearly no longer the American Hero he once was, to the point that the writer and/or director has even taken out the tagline "truth, justice, and the American way" and replaced it with "truth, justice, and all that."

    Question: what bug does Superman have up his butt that he is now no longer pro-America?

    • "Truth, justice, and the American Way" was modified or removed before I was born. This isn't news. Why is everyone suddenly making noise about it? To my knowledge, this phrase was never even used in the Christopher Reeve movies.

      • Well, I'm not sure how old you are, but yes, it was definitely in the 1978 "Superman - The Movie" film, during the private Lois Lane interview of Superman, if I recall correctly. Haven't seen the movie in over a decade, but I remember it being there.

        • I'll concede for the moment that you're probably right. However, IIRC, the immediate context of that interview makes it clear that the slogan has grown a little iffy ... doesn't Lois Lane suggest the phrase, or something? IIRC, Superman doesn't give it in answer to a question or something.

          And regardless, there are older Superman cartoons (from Filmation??) that changed the slogan to something else, like, "Truth, Justice, and Humanity," or something like that, and I can remember my dad griping about that

          • Well, you don't recall correctly. She was interviewing him, asked him why he was here, and his response was the famous line, and then she tries to brush it off with a humorous line but Superman clearly doesn't get the joke. He clearly means what he said, and was clearly meant to be the wide-eyed paragon of virtue. I can't say about any Filmation series, but Superman said it in at least one Super Friends episode that I remember. Besides, I don't know who this "everyone" is that you claim is making a big

            • Okay, I do stand corrected, then. And I need to rewatch those movies. :) (Okay, maybe not IV...)

              I know you're not making a big deal of it ... where I'm coming from is that last week I heard two conservative talk show hosts griping about it. And I was bugged slightly that they were griping ("Superman is now politically correct and international! Horrors!"), and bugged more than slightly that they thought this was news, since I know it's been an issue for at least twenty years (although my data point ab

      • To my knowledge, this phrase was never even used in the Christopher Reeve movies.
        Your knowledge is wrong.

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