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Rep. Randy Cunningham gave the GOP a black eye today as he confessed to various crimes relating to bribery and his public office.

Also in the news today is former U.S. Attorney General (under President Johnson) Ramsey Clark, who has defended such sweethearts as Slobodan Milosevic, the PLO (in the lawsuit against them brought by the Klinghoffer family), and Charles Taylor. He's been defending Saddam Hussein, and was yesterday admitted to his defense team.

I dunno about you, but I'd rather have Cunningham, and I am not willing to trade!

(And this is not an attack on defending unpopular crimes and criminals. This is about Ramsey Clark continually throughout his post-AG career being an opponent abroad of all things American.)

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  • Makes me sick. He has been a hero of mine for a long time. When this all started to hit the press I was extremely worried about how it would turn out and hoped beyond hope that there was something that would clear it up without him having done what it looked like he did. Unfortunately that's not the case. It's a very sad day for me.
    • Why should it be a sad day? The general thinking (I have no idea if it can be attributed to Ramsey Clark) is that if someone has the best legal defense possible, and *still* loses, then there is no bitching that the defendant can really do during appeals.
      • It is a sad day to me personally because a childhood hero took millions in bribes and it sucks to see that happen. It's a good day from the perspective of justice. Someone did something wrong and got caught. But I have an emotional reaction as this is someone I looked up to in the past.
        • Oh, I misunderstood. Thought you were disappointed at the involvement of Ramsey Clark (IOW, the other half of the JE).
  • I have no beefs with anyone who's willing to legally defend that sort of scum, PROVIDED that they're doing it out of a love of liberty and due process--this I'd consider to be one of the ultimate act of respect for the principles America is founded on, being willing to put together the best legal defense possible for even the most heinous criminals, because that's what due process means to me.

    Now, if he's taking these cases on the ideological grounds of "everything America does is wrong and bad" as opposed
    • Given that his involvement in the civil suit against the PLO, though, I'm sadly inclined to agree with your assertion that he's taking these on to be fashionably anti-American. And at that point, you're right, I'd love to trade.

      Ramsey Clark also defended Slobodan Milosevic, Vernon Howell (aka David Koresh of the Branch Davidians), Charles Taylor (Liberian fighting extradition), and Elizaphan Ntakirutimana (a leader of Rwandan Genocide).

      Plus, he visited North Vietnam to protest the war ala Hanoi Jane.

      I'

      • See, what I was saying is that I don't mind WHO he's defended in the context of a criminal trial under any circumstances--EVERYONE deserves the best possible legal defense against the state, in my interpretation of the intent of the Bill of Rights and The American Way (tm). And then if they're guilty, you don't need to have any doubts, and you can go from there. If they're declared innocent, either the prosecution screwed up (by bringing an innocent to trial) or the judge/jury screwed up (by letting a gui
    • Ramsey Clark has been calling for Bush's impeachment since before Bush's state of the union address in 2003, months before we actually invaded Iraq.

      To make his case for impeachment, he teamed up with professor Francis A. Boyle, who has been calling for Bush's impeachment since January 2002, because of Bush's invasion of Afghanistan.

      And oh, it gets better.

      Clark is against the draft, saying there is a significant risk today that the Bush administration will draft people, which is clearly a lie, as the only pe
  • Former Georgia State senator and senate majority leader Charles Walker is being sentenced following his conviction in June on mail fraud, tax evasion and conspiracy charges. He is a democrat.

    Obviously a state senator is not as powerful as a federal senator, but he was one of the top dogs in the state of Georgia...
    • Don't fall into the trap of, "They do it too."

      If this fellow has done something illegal, it is best that he leave the public arena (and go to jail if it warrents). Corruption needs to be removed from out political system. Each side claiming the other does it only allows it to continue.

      • Hell, I think we should throw ALL of them out of office, whether they've been found guilty of anything or not. They ARE all doing it. They ALL need to go.

        Next election, I encourage everybody to vote for anybody other than the incumbent.
  • But it's really not a party thing. They're all politicians. Most of them are crooked no matter what flag they wave.

    The scariest thing to me is when people think a movement, or its ideals, can make politicians less crooked. Republicans are every bit the same as Democrats, conservatives the same as liberals, in this regard.

    The only thing I can see that will ever fix the problem is more openness in the way the government does its business - quite a bit more than we are now accustomed to.

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