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Sith was just a terrible movie. Sorry. I went in thinking I would like it. I didn't.

Maybe if the climactic seen of the entire six-movie series weren't the least believable scene in any movie of recent memory, I'd have liked the movie as a whole. But it completely ruined any suspension of believe I'd had to that point, and it went downhill from there.

"Oh no, I have done the most terrible thing, I've killed a master Jedi! Woe is me! So ... want me to kill more? Including all the kids? Sure, why not?"

It ruined the rest of the movie. Completely incredible.

And all that crap about the politics was stupid too. They go into this whole thing about how people with power won't give it up, and then "hey Senators, I am taking away your power" is met with a standing ovation?

And that nonsense about "if you're not with me, you're my enemy" and "only Sith deal in absolutes," except clearly it is the Sith who are the relativists (open your mind to all possibilities) and the Jedi are the absolutists (Sith are evil, the Dark Side is evil, there are things you must not do, period). It made no sense except as a dig at Bush (where it makes no sense there either, as Bush is no absolutist, having befriended China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan ...).

The movie was just bad. There was a lot of good in it, but so much bad that it just completely took me out of the movie, and that's the sign of a bad movie. I didn't even mind the stupid Franken-Vader NOOOOO thing at the end because by that time I was completely divested and just waiting for it to end.

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  • And that nonsense about "if you're not with me, you're my enemy" and "only Sith deal in absolutes," except clearly it is the Sith who are the relativists (open your mind to all possibilities) and the Jedi are the absolutists (Sith are evil, the Dark Side is evil, there are things you must not do, period). It made no sense except as a dig at Bush (where it makes no sense there either, as Bush is no absolutist, having befriended China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan ...).

    I would have suggested this was a deliberate

  • I'm so stinking glad someone agrees with me. It seems like people are so bent on loving a Star Wars movie that they'll overlook these huge cinematic crimes and still say it's good. Look at Ebert's three star review for instance.
  • That is freaky pudge. What you explained was *exactly* what I complained to my wife about after the movie. Well, not exactly, where you thought:

    "Oh no, I have done the most terrible thing, I've killed a master Jedi! Woe is me! So ... want me to kill more? Including all the kids? Sure, why not?"

    I said:

    "What have I done!? Oh well, lets go kill all the kids."

    But my wife liked that scene though. She saw it as Anakin going into the dark side all the way. It was his goal. No more confusion, you'

    • I knew the minute I saw the fall of Vader that that scene would be criticized. I also knew a few other things that meant I might have had more of a clue of what was going on and why it was so abrupt. Might make a difference only to the die-hard Star Wars fans. Here's what I wrote on another website:

      Anakin's fall seems very abrupt, but there are a couple of reasons. One is that the Dark Side literally takes control of a person: the act of killing Mace Windu causes him to fall further into the Dark Side

      • Re:Whoa (Score:2)

        by pudge ( 3605 ) *
        Anakin's fall seems very abrupt, but there are a couple of reasons. One is that the Dark Side literally takes control of a person: the act of killing Mace Windu causes him to fall further into the Dark Side until it controls him and makes him act in Its own interests rather than rationally

        Not buying it. I'd have to believe:

        a. Siths are controlled by Dark Side
        b. Dark Side doesn't let them have fear
        c. Anakin kills everyone because Dark Side makes him do it, he has no control
        d. but ... Anakin still shows

        • b. Dark Side doesn't let them have fear

          I don't follow. Why would you need to believe this?

          Remember, such mind tricks only work on the weak-minded

          Well, maybe the way the Jedi do it... The Sith don't share the same code of ethics. The Dark Side is a path to many abilities that some find ... unnatural.

          As for timescale, Palpatine has been working on Anakin for 13+ years. (Perhaps he gained a mental foothold in manipulating Anakin when he was young, impressionable, and vulnerable that would not h

          • Re:Whoa (Score:2)

            by pudge ( 3605 ) *
            I don't follow. Why would you need to believe this?

            Count Dooku said the one common characteristic of all Siths is that they have no fear (in Clone Wars, the animated movie). If he is being forced to be Sith by the Dark Side, being controlled, then the Dark Side would also be forcing him to have all the characteristics of the Sith, which includes not having fear.

            Of course, we also know that if the Dark Side were controlling him, he could not have ever gone back to the good side, so it's pretty obvious th

            • Count Dooku said the one common characteristic of all Siths is that they have no fear (in Clone Wars, the animated movie).

              Haven't seen it, and I would tend to discount that because it seems to contradict everything else I've ever heard in the Star Wars universe. Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear, anger, aggression, and passion are the emotions the Dark Side uses.

              Maybe Dooku is just being a braggart?

              It's not about ethics. It's about the fact that Jedis' minds can't be controlled by mind tric

              • Re:Whoa (Score:2)

                by pudge ( 3605 ) *
                Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear, anger, aggression, and passion are the emotions the Dark Side uses.

                Fear gets you there, but you have none once you get there.

                Jedi's minds can't be controlled by Jedi mind tricks. The Sith might have the ability to lots of other things besides just manipulating the midichlorians to create life.

                Yes, maybe they can even control Lucas into creating huge plot holes. Anything is possible, but making stuff up just to justify poor execution by Lucas is really pushin
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  • If there had been some cleverness the Emperor would have set something up such that all the younglings died, make Anakin think it was his fault, or maybe make Sam Jackson acuse him of doing it. Then have him go off on Sam. The way it was I thought it was a bit rash. I don't think that he gets to kill younglings and still go to Jedi heaven.

    Also, if Sam's death is supposed to parallel the Emperor's death in Jedi, well then the Emperor's death doesn't measure up. Darth simply picks him up and drops him.

    • Also, if Sam's death is supposed to parallel the Emperor's death in Jedi, well then the Emperor's death doesn't measure up. Darth simply picks him up and drops him. No obivous force powers at play. With the same element of surprise R2D2 could have bumped him into that shaft. Lucky thing it was there, or Darth and the Emperor would have had to do battle...

      Wait -- are you criticizing ROTJ, or Sith? :)

      Finally, rewatching all the originals, it is clear that the teenage kid that showed some fancy swordwor

      • Wait -- are you criticizing ROTJ, or Sith? :)

        Exactly! While the new movie has lots of nice eye candy that makes it entertaining on its own, and the old movie was entertaining on its own, the combination of the two is less than the sum of their parts.

        I have rewatched the OT in the wake of Sith and there are problems that weren't there before. Before I thougt that the prequels were simply bad on their own, now I think they actively do damage to the whole of the story.

  • Very similar to the writeup I previously posted [slashdot.org].

    The storyline had promise, but Lucas just couldn't deliver...
  • I love that 'Franken-Vader'... that just about sums up that scene.

    I *liked* the move. I thought it was the best of all the sequel's.

    I agree that last Vader scene was, well, lame. But - given that there are many scenes like that throughout the entire movie set over the years, I thought it was appropriate.

    Oh, and the special affects where he's crawling out of the lava were just horrible. I was disappointed with that.

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