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Comment: Re:Easy solution? (Score 1) 124

by mtaht (#38253394) Attached to: Bufferbloat: Dark Buffers In the Internet

What Jim and the bufferbloat.net's group of volunteers have accomplished in a year - on nearly no money - boggles my mind.

Today's commentary on slashdot is a hundred times more clueful than it was last year - and a few days back Byte Queue Limits went into linux's net-next tree, which fixes much of the bloat problems that exist at the ethernet driver layer.

What has been discussed as 'Time in Queue' limits in the higher level schedulers is still awaiting a clean way to avoid layer violations. I've been too distracted by the BQL merge to pursue that next phase of fixes.

What we could have done this year with *some money* - nowhere near the amounts you describe above! - could have been amazing, and as for the next year, well, who knows? It is going to take many man-years worth of effort to make the internet responsive again.

And even with that said, to have harnessed the powers of hundreds first, now thousands, of talented minds, to help solve the bufferbloat problem - has been a far more effective - and wonderful! thing than all the money in the world.

Comment: Re:Use a real DNS server (Score 3, Informative) 212

by mtaht (#36639552) Attached to: Telstra Starts Implementing Australian Censorship Scheme
Nearly every Linux machine ships with named (bind9) available and often, even turned on, in a caching-only configuration. To use it by default you just disable /etc/dhcp/dhclient's domain-name-servers request and point your resolv.conf to localhost. By doing this you get NXdomain back, too... and your local cache of dns entries is likely to be more performant than an ISPs 10s of ms away for cached entries. You can also run dnssec, if you so choose. Latest versions of bind can do dnssec, you can enable it with one line in the conf file. Ever since multiple services started messing with DNS a decade ago... returning broken queries, pointing to ad sites, not doing ipv6, not returning mx records, etc... I've run my own dns server. Now that dns is being mis-used for censorship, perhaps more will rebell. As servers go, in memory it's rather small...

Comment: Re:Buffer Bloat (Score 3, Interesting) 99

by mtaht (#35579448) Attached to: Google Spends $1 Million For Throttling Detection

The original gatech study showed not only bufferbloat, but enormous variation of base latencies in the first mile for different brands of cable modem as well as for different kinds of DSL and wireless technologies.

Slides: http://www.caida.org/workshops/isma/1102/slides/aims1102_ssundaresan.pdf

Some commentary: http://gettys.wordpress.com/2011/02/17/caida-workshop/

I look forward to the followup!

Comment: Re:Buffer bloat is (not) an illusion... (Score 1) 121

by mtaht (#35326534) Attached to: Got (Buffer) Bloat?

Sort of in answer to both of your questions the bufferbloat.net servers are configured as follows:

http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Dogfood_Principle

trying at every point to make sure http 1.1 actually got used.

We survived today's slashdotting. Handily.

That said, your points are well made. SPDY is part of the chromium browser and looks to have some potential.

In my case, I like the idea of smarter - and eventually sctp-enabled - proxies, especially on wireless hops. See thread at:

https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/bloat/2011-February/000068.html

Comment: Re:Keeping big buffers but managing them better (Score 1) 121

by mtaht (#35326430) Attached to: Got (Buffer) Bloat?

Please feel free to write some code. Writing a new qdisc for Linux and BSD is not very hard.

Writing a good qdisc, insanely so.

That said, I tend to feel that time-stamping more packets and doing more guessing may make sense, as does concepts in TCP vegas.

But: Before starting, read these:

http://pollere.net/Pdfdocs/bcit_6.2001.pdf Kathleen Nichols - who proved to Van Jacobson that RED was wrong -

And Van Jacobson: http://pollere.net/Pdfdocs/QrantJul06.pdf

Comment: Re:what it is (Score 3, Informative) 121

by mtaht (#35326380) Attached to: Got (Buffer) Bloat?

re:"Interesting problem for dd-wrt"

Agreed.
We are throwing efforts at both the mainline kernel and openwrt.
Openwrt is foundational for dd-wrt and several other (commercial) distributions of Linux on the router. I have a large set of debloated routers already, I'm just awaiting further work on the eBDP algorithm to make better....

http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Experiment_-_Bloated_LAGN_vs_debloated_WNDR5700

re: "using pings"
httpping is a much saner approach than ping, in many cases. Get it from:

http://www.vanheusden.com/httping/

re: RED & AQM

SFB and CHOKEe are in the debloat-testing kernel, as is eBDP.
RED 93 isn't going to work. nRED may. Experimentation and scripts highly desired. See the bloat and bloat-devel mailing lists for discussions.

Also:

http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Dogfood_Principle

Also:

I've seen some VERY interesting behavior with tcp vegas over bloated connections.

http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Experiment_-_TCP_cubic_vs_TCP_vegas

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