Journal eglamkowski's Journal: The presidency and war 9
There are those who suggest that the president engaging in undeclared wars against foreign enemies in foreign lands is unconsitutional and unamerican.
Unfortunately for those who would make such claims, the first several presidents all did exactly such things, and none of the other founders complained.
George Washington warred upon the sovereign indian tribes, culminating most famously with the Battle of Fallen Timbers. There was never any formal declarations of war, although there were formal peace treaties that were constantly broken...
John Adams had his undeclared quasi-war with France.
Thomas Jefferson waged an undeclared, unilateral preemptive war of aggression against muslim terrorists on their own turf to protect US business interests abroad, against the protestations of the international community...
(tee hee
And James Madison, the man who WROTE the constitution, waged undeclared war on the Indians (climax at the Battle of Tippecanoe), and invaded Florida in 1816 in an undeclared, unjustified, immoral war for slavery. Or something.
Clearly, for the men who forged this country and who created the constitution, it was not seen as unconstitutional for the president to call out the army to wage war, even without a congressional DoW, even to the extent of invading foreign lands.
When the FOUNDERS saw this as a perfectly acceptable course of action, and engaged in such things themselves, why in the world would people argue that this is somehow constitutionally improper today, or otherwise unamerican?
Cowboys and Neocons (Score:2)
Cowboy! Just like today's George W.
Thomas Jefferson waged an undeclared, unilateral preemptive war of aggression against muslim terrorists on their own turf to protect US business interests abroad
Finally, a neocon with a little bit of honesty. But he failed to mention that it was also done to help the Israelis.
Re:Cowboys and Neocons (Score:1)
Re:Cowboys and Neocons (Score:2)
Of course- I hold that Thomas Jefferson was evil for Lewis and Clarke Expedition....the begining of the end for the Kwakutal "First Nation".
Re:Cowboys and Neocons (Score:2)
And nothing more.
On a serious note, I recommend listening to Jefferson & The Barbarians [deprogramprogram.com] (PDF [deprogramprogram.com]) from DeProgram Program [deprogramprogram.com].
Big differences though (Score:1)
Dubya has done what precisely?
Madison (Score:2)
Actually... (Score:2)
Actually, the Constitution was "written" by Gouverneur Morris. At least, he was the one who put the Constitution down on paper. It was he who wrote "We the people...", it was he who wrote the LANGUAGE -- the prose -- of the Constitution.
But what he put down on paper was the combined work of all those present at the consitutional convention. Madison kept meticulous notes about who said what and when -- not to minimize his contrubution -- but IIRC, he
Nice Troll... (Score:2)
The French navy was harrassing US ships...
Those "terrorists" (who only happened to be Muslim) were actually Pirates. Arrrrr!!!
Florida wasn't a sovereign state...
Our Founding Fathers were humans, not gods. They thought Brown people were inferior, promoted slavery, wrote blasphemous essays, had hot-hot sechs with fourteen year olds and just loooooved the French. Loved 'em. I guess that mean
No troll... (Score:1)
The Indian wars were never-the-less undeclared wars in which the presidents used the army to invade sovereign foreign nations and conquer and subjugate (and/or exterminate) the indians.
The French navy was harrassing US ships...
It was, however, an undeclared war.
Those "terrorists" (who only happened to be Muslim) were actually Pirates. Arrrrr!!!
If they "only happened" to be Muslim, why were t