Then there's plumbing, sewage, heavy machinery, roadwork, waste management, etc.
Those are the high visibility and hard working positions that, if females started competing for, males would take notice and give proper respect.
I would be proud as all hell if my future daughter did roadwork.
You chose to berate the poster and (likely) have him become hostile to you (and, by proxy, your viewpoint) when you could have simply presented the information that assert you've seen.
"Hey, did you hear pigs fly now? I've heard it said a lot."
"You fracking idiot! You believe everything people say? You're so ignorant! Look up the pig research!"
"Hey, did you hear pigs fly now? I've heard it said a lot."
"I've heard that a lot, too, but I found this data that shows there's just a perception issue. Apparently, someone's been chucking pigs in the air over highly-populated areas. Check out the link."
The choice is yours.
I agree that males and females tend to be different, but a lot of that has to do with upbringing. How many people can honestly say that if their male child wanted to play with dolls and be a nurse, that they would foster it? Not many. Most would keep the dolls away, direct the kid into the hard sciences, and hope he becomes an MD or medical researcher.
If little females did that, "Well great!", right?
We should never discount the effects our own gender biases have on steering our children into their careers down the line. It's still pretty taboo to say, but I'd put at least 40% of the blame of sex-separated industries on the upbringing that those industry's workers.
Blame the old parents and instruct the new parents to lay off the gender-specific career focii, that's what I say. Let the girl play with tools and computers. Let the boy play nurse and care for babies. The boomers had to deal with their daughters choosing to go to college and having a career instead of staying home and having babies. This generation will have to deal with their daughters becoming computer nerds and their sons teaching kindergarten.
Those that turn to computers as a safe, solo hobby eventually find each other. They commiserate. They create their own social norms and mores. These are not common social norms because "common society" rejected them back in middle school and high school.
It should serve as no surprise that when, in college or professional careers, some women actually want in on the computer industry, they have to wade into the dungeon of outcasts and deal with the stench of their resentment. The first to tread in can, hopefully, make a difference. But they have a lot of baggage to deal with.
You can even see this at fan conventions when "normal" looking girls get scoffed at for being bandwagonners because it is so incredibly difficult for the outcasts to believe that the people that look just like those who excluded them down throughout their adolescence could actually and genuinely have similar interests to their own.
None of that justifies any action taken against attempts at considerate nerd re-integration, but if you don't understand all of that before actually trying to make a change, you're going to be doomed to failure.
If people REALLY want to foster a better, more inclusive environment for all people in the computer industry, they need to foster a better, more inclusive environment for the young people that first choose the computer industry as a hobby. Prevent the de-socialization of those who would otherwise be social outcast computer nerds and you'll be working toward a better computer industry for the future.
But that's only if you want to do the hard work to solve the problem for everyone and not just take up a crusade for a certain few.
My problem with the whole "there aren't enough girls in CS" thing is that everyone assumes that males are specifically targeted and tracked into computer-related academic/research/career paths. That's not the case. By and large, it's social outcasts who take up computers as a hobby are tracked into computer-related academic/research/career paths and those social outcasts are more commonly male.
And they will continue to be male. And social outcasts.
So, at best, these kinds of initiatives will just track more female social outcasts into computer-oriented subjects/careers. Want more "normal people" in computer-oriented careers? Fat chance, buddy.
Two data points does not a plague make.
FTA: On the electric car front, the Chevy Volt is the most significant U.S. competitor to Musk's Tesla Model S...
Meanwhile, Volt was developed during Uncle Sam's bailout of "Government Motors" with $30 billion. That's more than six times the number that got Mr. Hirsch so worked up! Though GM touts that they've "repaid" the government, Treasury reports that the government lost more than $11 billion on that dubious deal.
The Model S is not comparable to the Volt. The Volt is a plug-in hybrid (not an EV) cludge to meet the requirements of a bail out. The Nissan Leaf is a better comparison and it blows the Model S out of the water in its effects on the market. But, the author wants to hamstring a stronger comparison by requiring that the company be American.
Additionally, a bail out deal and subsidy are not comparable. A bail out deal your mom throwing you a few hundred bucks because your business failed, rent needs to be paid, and you have to go visit her to pick up the check. A subsidy is your mom throwing you a few hundred bucks to start up or expand your business. One's there to save your as with some nominal requirements and the other is there to help you profit. Musk has taken both for Tesla.
FTA: The most polite response I can offer to the critics is: Get over it. Find something more productive to do than condemning success. If you insist on continuing to carp, do your research first and hit the right targets. Otherwise you will continue to sound jealous and misinformed.
Wow, internet tough guy, huh?
Oh, and this isn't the only time this guy has white-knighted for Musk. He's actually a bit of a fanboy, so don't let his professorship lull you into a false sense of academic separation:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... "Disclosure: Dr. Autry currently owns Tesla stock."
Rideshare is a federally recognized term that refers to carpooling, vanpooling, transit, and even (counter-intuitively) biking and walking. It's generally used as an umbrella term to describe pretty much everything but driving alone in a car or taking a taxi.
The Associated Press' Style Book has requested that all media outlets begin using the term "Ride-hailing" instead of Ridesharing to prevent confusion.
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1x House key
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I wrote this question. Thanks for the response, Drew. Insight always helps to quell the rage.
I happily accept that it's your site and your own preferences ("I dislike rape jokes...") and my confidence in you is renewed because you didn't choose option #6 ("I actually believe that everyone who jokes about women hates women and they should be stopped.").
Misogyny, sexism, chauvinism, crassness-- these are all different words with different meanings, so when the "Anti-Misogyny" policy falsely attributes HATE as the motivating factor for crass jokes, people get offended and defensive. In fact, I think things would have gone over *more* smoothly (though not perfectly smooth, of course) if it wasn't an "Anti-Misogyny" policy, but just "updates to the posting standards because I don't like rape jokes".
Just my two cents. Thanks for responding.
I concur. My partner wept when I had her read it. She tears up at just the mention of it. I would bet money that she would donate $100 for the mission to bring back the damn robot and then pay for the travel required to welcome it back to Earth in person.
I wholeheartedly agree. If I were defending sexism (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/sexism), I would be out of touch. However, as an egalitarian feminist, you'll never find me doing as much. I'm asking questions about a decision made contrary to (what I measured to be as) overwhelming disagreement within the Fark's commenting community.
Still, if you were Drew Curtis and responding to my question, you would select "6. I actually believe that everyone who jokes about women hates women and they should be stopped"? Cool. Everyone has their reasons (hypothetical and otherwise). I'm just trying to understand them, not judge them.