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Comment: Re:Maybe the aliens are just as religious (Score 1) 354

by cold fjord (#48033799) Attached to: Are the World's Religions Ready For ET?

Very widely indeed, because it would be a major faux pas for one Hindu to ask a another "Do you really believe in all this? Say you do!" Instead, people are not asked about what they feel deep inside, so they are free to believe whatever they wish. This is what makes Hinduism so inclusive and, over time, so syncretic.

Not asking isn't the same as not making an evaluation. I'm also somewhat amused by the intimation that Hindus don't discuss religion. They certainly do evangelize.

What makes Hinduism so "inclusive" and syncretic is incorporating external religious figures or practices into Hinduism. Unfortunately this tends to distort the incorporated figure beyond recognition. The "Jesus" that is incorporated by many into Hinduism is not the same Jesus of Christianity. They are incompatible.

I think you are overstating the prominence of atheists as a component of the Hindu faith community.

Comment: Re:Maybe the aliens are just as religious (Score 1) 354

by cold fjord (#48033599) Attached to: Are the World's Religions Ready For ET?

Neither a plane ticket to India nor speaking with educated Indian atheists is necessary to understand social religion, or state religion. It's something that has been around a while.

"They will hold to an outward form of godliness but deny its power." - 2 Timothy 3:5

How widely do you think that Hindus accept their ritual without belief as Hinduism? I doubt it is universal. All they really are is atheists performing socially accepted rituals.

Hindu fundamentalists vs. Hinduism: Column

Comment: Re:Maybe the aliens are just as religious (Score 2) 354

by cold fjord (#48032765) Attached to: Are the World's Religions Ready For ET?

An alien lands on Earth and finds it odd that all the scientists of our planet are trending towards atheism....

Maybe in the West, but not necessarily in the rest of the world.

Indian scientists significantly more religious than UK scientists

...interviews with scientists revealed that while 65 percent of U.K. scientists identify as nonreligious, only 6 percent of Indian scientists identify as nonreligious. In addition, while only 12 percent of scientists in the U.K. attend religious services on a regular basis — once a month or more — 32 percent of scientists in India do.

Science and atheism - correlation is not causation.

+ - Scientists Seen as Competent But Not Trusted by Americans->

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cold fjord (826450) writes "The Woodrow Wilson School reports, "If scientists want the public to trust their research suggestions, they may want to appear a bit "warmer," according to a new review published by Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs. The review, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), shows that while Americans view scientists as competent, they are not entirely trusted. This may be because they are not perceived to be friendly or warm. In particular, Americans seem wary of researchers seeking grant funding and do not trust scientists pushing persuasive agendas. Instead, the public leans toward impartiality. "Scientists have earned the respect of Americans but not necessarily their trust," said lead author Susan Fiske, the Eugene Higgins Professor of Psychology and professor of public affairs. "But this gap can be filled by showing concern for humanity and the environment. Rather than persuading, scientists may better serve citizens by discussing, teaching and sharing information to convey trustworthy intentions."""
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Comment: Re:Time for a new date (Score 1, Informative) 199

If "peak oil" was in 2008 you better tell the Lefties at The Nation, they apparently didn't get the memo

Peak Oil Is Dead. Long Live Peak Oil!

A note to the Guardian might be helpful as well.

We were wrong on peak oil. There's enough to fry us all

Some of us made vague predictions, others were more specific. In all cases we were wrong. In 1975 MK Hubbert, a geoscientist working for Shell who had correctly predicted the decline in US oil production, suggested that global supplies could peak in 1995. In 1997 the petroleum geologist Colin Campbell estimated that it would happen before 2010. In 2003 the geophysicist Kenneth Deffeyes said he was "99% confident" that peak oil would occur in 2004. In 2004, the Texas tycoon T Boone Pickens predicted that "never again will we pump more than 82m barrels" per day of liquid fuels. (Average daily supply in May 2012 was 91m.) In 2005 the investment banker Matthew Simmons maintained that "Saudi Arabia cannot materially grow its oil production". (Since then its output has risen from 9m barrels a day to 10m, and it has another 1.5m in spare capacity.)

Peak oil hasn't happened, and it's unlikely to happen for a very long time.

Comment: Re:What a fool (Score 0) 297

The US affordable care act was a mere 2,000 pages long and is spawning tens or hundreds of thousands of pages of regulations governing, regulating, taxing, and reshaping American healthcare. Next to that the development of regulation to govern all aspects of the internet, world wide web, and its many manifestations is peanuts. It will probably be about as successful as the "Affordable" Care Act, AKA Obamacare, but it can be done none the less. That should suggest to you that nobody should give them the idea of actually do it if we want to avoid a fiasco.

+ - Indian Scientists Significantly More Religious Than UK Scientists->

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An anonymous reader writes "Rice University reports, "Indian scientists are significantly more religious than United Kingdom scientists, according to the first cross-national study of religion and spirituality among scientists. ... The surveys and in-depth interviews with scientists revealed that while 65 percent of U.K. scientists identify as nonreligious, only 6 percent of Indian scientists identify as nonreligious. In addition, while only 12 percent of scientists in the U.K. attend religious services on a regular basis — once a month or more — 32 percent of scientists in India do. Elaine Howard Ecklund, Rice’s Autrey Professor of Sociology and the study’s principal investigator, said the U.K. and India data are being released simultaneously because of the history between the U.K. and India. She noted that their differences are quite interesting to compare. “India and the U.K. are at the same time deeply intertwined historically while deeply different religiously,” Ecklund said. “There is a vastly different character of religion among scientists in the U.K. than in India – potentially overturning the view that scientists are universal carriers of secularization.” Despite the number of U.K. scientists identifying themselves as nonreligious, 49 percent of U.K. survey respondents acknowledged that there are basic truths in many religions. In addition, 11 percent of U.K. survey respondents said they do believe in God without any doubt, and another 8 percent said they believe in a higher power of some kind. Ecklund noted that although the U.K. is known for its secularism, scientists in particular are significantly more likely to identify as not belonging to a religion than members of the general population.""
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Comment: Re:Typical Government Hypocracy (Score 1, Interesting) 241

by cold fjord (#48017105) Attached to: At CIA Starbucks, Even the Baristas Are Covert

No, this is all about some pretend thing in their heads that they're special enough to kill and yet smart enough to be hidden. The truth is most people are aware of how unimportant they are as a target and don't even attempt to hide themselves.

Do you think that journalists and aid workers are so unimportant as to not be targets? It seems that ISIS disagrees with you.

Jihadi John: FBI 'identifies' Isis militant who 'beheaded' British aid worker David Haines and US journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff

If they can be targets, why not CIA/NSA/FBI officers?

And it isn't just an overseas threat.

Oklahoma Beheading Suspect Shared Photos of Himself Giving ISIS Salute

The CIA/NSA/FBI all take advantage of this, have a certain level of loathing of the "sheep", and don't want to be placed into the same category because it fundamentally goes against their feelings of superiority of not being so "stupid".

Maybe what it actually goes against is their attachment to their head?

Honestly, "operational security", "ongoing investigation", and "national security" are the words of cowards more often than a real and meaningful thing used to actual protect the populace at large. And I should know as an Anonymous Coward, right?

Even though they can be and have been abused at times, what they are in fact are genuine issues that have to be dealt with by people in responsible positions in government. The fact that you don't deal with that demonstrate your post is disingenuous nonsense.

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