So is the group "women who have made false accusations of harassment" or "women in general"?
Because if the group is "women who have made false accusations of harassment and have refused to accept responsibility" sure - I have no problem with saying that "women who have made false accusations of harassment and have failed to accept responsibility" should be publicly outed.
But if you're saying "women in general" should be lumped in, then holy shit, you're insane. No one should have to apologize or accept responsibility for anyone's actions but their own or those that they are directly in control of/have authority over. I personally refuse to take responsibility for stupid behavior because some people in my demographic bucket behave poorly, and even more so, fuck anyone who says that I am obligated to say "I don't like that behavior!" when someone in my demographic bucket behaves poorly.
Further, if you're endorsing the "women in general" notion - then the exact same reasoning holds true for men.
So please, be clear: who bears the responsibility, in your opinion? Women who make false accusations of harassment or women in general?
By all means - please keep perpetuating the cycle and tell me how that works out for you.
Yeah, because the post that was linked doesn't show an obvious agenda, with quotes like "(Donâ(TM)t like that, ladies? Tough. You were just fine with collective guilt when the shoe was on the other foot. Enjoy your turn!)" That seems pretty axe-grindy to me and only serves to perpetuate the cycle of mistrust and abuses that mistrust enables.
I agree that if people, regardless of gender, are concerned that private one-on-one interactions they have may be used against them, by all means, strive to never be alone with someone you don't trust.
I think it sucks that some men feel like they can't talk to a woman without being accused of impropriety. I think it sucks that some women feel like they can't report a legitimate impropriety without being subject to character assassination and accusations that they were "asking for it". I think it sucks in general that people have stereotypes of the worst in their demographic bucket applied to them, and I don't think any reasonable person can disagree with that general statement.
The situation sucks for EVERYONE. If ESR, fully knowing his celebrity status and the scrutiny it would get, were ACTUALLY trying to do justice to his status, he would have been more responsible in his approach rather than clearly turning it into a dig at women in general with the quote I posted above.
I agree. It's terrifying (well, more disappointing) that completely unsubstantiated claims from someone who was chatting anonymously on IRC are being taken seriously by anyone, ESPECIALLY someone who is seen as a thought leader in the OSS community, and that some idiots will latch on to this kind of weak shit as proof of their preconceptions and then begin acting on this nonsense.
That's already been well done. Just look at any thread here where people swarm to defend people being assholes by telling anyone who doesn't like dealing with assholes to toughen up.
Cite the law then. If it's legal and legally mandated - in the US - then you should have no problem what so ever backing that claim up.
If you're talking about countries outside the US, then I don't really care.
You don't know what a protected class is.
Race is a protected class, period. You can't discriminate on the basis of race, regardless of whether it's black, white, etc.
Gender is a protected class, period. You can't discriminate on the basis of gender, regardless of male or female and in some states transgender.
In some states, sexual orientation is a protected class, period. You can't discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, be it gay, bi, straight, etc.
If your buddy's boss actually said that, then I would expect HP to get hit with a discrimination suit any day now. He should probably turn his boss in, if it's actually true.
Have you ever or do you currently volunteer or work as part of a program aimed at helping men escape homelessness, offer suicide prevention, or help men avoid incarceration?
Follow-up: do you work in education, especially elementary education? If not, why not?
I ask because clearly these issues are important enough to you to come in here and complain about, so one would hope you've actually tried to do something to address them.
And now for the part where I burn my karma:
What's amazing to me is that these people who are making this school are trying to show some agency and DO SOMETHING to address a problem they see, and a whole bunch of dudes are REALLY FUCKING BOTHERED by this.
When I see a group try and do something to help themselves, I don't say "WELL YOU KNOW OTHER GROUPS ALSO HAVE PROBLEMS!!!!!!" I say "hey, great, people should work together to get ahead." Shouldn't ANYONE who claims to be a geek be all for people trying to fix things they see as a problem? Isn't one of the key concepts behind OSS the notion of scratching an itch/addressing a problem?
Also, before some moron says "WELL WHAT IF THERE WAS A SCHOOL ONLY FOR MEN OR ONLY FOR WHITE PEOPLE!?" - I'm actually opposed to any institution that flat out refuses to admit or work with people based on race, gender, color, creed, sexual orientation or gender presentation. If you read the code of conduct for this school, you'll see that they explicitly state that they don't discriminate based on gender.
If you look at most organizations that have a specific demographic group in their name, they ALSO will help anyone who actually needs it, regardless of whether they're in that group or not. The reason that they have their specific groups in their name is to make it clear to people of that group that there is a place for them.
There really isn't any such thing as privacy at this point, just "not being worth bothering to look up."
Any data store worth worrying about has probably been compromised. It's currently fairly easy to identify and then get information you want about any given individual, and as tech advances it's going to become absolutely trivial. Even moreso, new tech will come along making some data that are currently very difficult to obtain easy and then trivial.
You don't have privacy now, you don't even have anonymity. And you probably don't even have "not being worth looking up" because someone SOMEWHERE is probably curious enough about you to at least google you or something.
The best course of action, IMO, is to embrace that knowledge and figure out ways to minimize the damage that can be done to you if someone does violate what you imagine is your "privacy." There's no good solution to keeping things ACTUALLY private, but there are plenty of good solutions for minimizing damage of important or personal information being freely available.
"No, no, I don't mind being called the smartest man in the world. I just wish it wasn't this one." -- Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias, WATCHMEN