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Comment: Re:What difference now does it make? :) Sunk costs (Score 1) 342

by Duhavid (#47426817) Attached to: The Pentagon's $399 Billion Plane To Nowhere

I hear what you are saying, but I dont think that Libya is a good example.
Libya looks a lot like Vietnam, and I think things will/have progressed from there in a fight with a "real" adversary ( China, Russia, et al ).
( and now I know why I pulled in Wild Weasels, they would go in before the strike to kill the fixed air defense ( ground to air stuff ) ).

The F-35 is an attack aircraft. It will be dropping bombs. So, going in with all the aircraft you need to fulfill that mission, plus jammers means that you have given the enemy a heads up that you are coming.
Yo u might knock back the ground to air stuff, but if they have fighters, those will be launched. You want to avoid that if possible.

And Iraq was not a great example of what a fight with a real contender will be like. They had all kinds of ground to air, but no effective air to air ( numbers, training, moral ). We wont be in that fight against a real adversary ( praying we wont, but... )

Comment: Re:What difference now does it make? :) Sunk costs (Score 1) 342

by Duhavid (#47424647) Attached to: The Pentagon's $399 Billion Plane To Nowhere

You don't plan around what happened in the past. You learn lessons from it ( hopefully ).

In designing any new aircraft, you have to look at what it's adversaries might be.
And plan around that, the numbers likely to be deployed, logistical factors.

Factor in what has happened in the Ukraine, and how that could have gone.
If the Russians had decided to occupy, what would they have used, and what would the Ukrainians have wanted to oppose that ?
( modern aircraft, in part, strike for the Russians, air defense/air superiority for the Ukrainians )

There is conflict in Syria. My recollection is that Assad has been using aircraft on his people, and that is part of what keep him from being overthrown.

What did the Iraqis want from us when ISIS/ISIL/ started taking territory.
Aircraft. For us to use our aircraft to assist them in driving them out.

China is being increasingly belligerent ( I'm sure they see it as taking their place in the sun, but where have we heard that before ), especially in the South China Seas with Japan, the Philippians, and Vietnam ( at least )
( recent news includes the articles about the oil rigs China has placed near Vietnam, and the Naval issue that have proceeded.
They are attempting to jump start their military ( and commercial ) aircraft industry.

Conflict appears to be getting smaller. Yes. But the threat of conflict is still there. And the capability on the part of other nations is still there.

Imagine America destroys all it's aircraft, naval vessels and disbands the army after destroying all it's weapons.
What happens next?
I would predict that our borders with Canada and Mexico would change, at minimum.
I'm not sure if Russian or China have the logistical capability to move in such a scenario, but then, America's moves in Afghanistan surprised the snot out of me. ( not the absolute power, but the ability to project it so far away.

We cant disarm, as appealing as that sounds. We cant even stop looking at what comes next, as that becomes disarming, in effect, after a period of time.

Disclosure, I am fairly liberal, Christian, opposed to war, use too many parenthesis and commas.

Comment: Re:What difference now does it make? :) Sunk costs (Score 1) 342

by Duhavid (#47420765) Attached to: The Pentagon's $399 Billion Plane To Nowhere

If you start again, which is an option, you don't always develop existing platforms, you develop new.
Or we would not have the highly regarded aircraft we have.
Especially in stealth, where the airplane shape is so important.

F-22, air superiority is it's main task. It is not a swiss army knife.
The F-14 and F-15 were not tasked with other roles until later in their evolution.

Stealth is never handled by having other aircraft along. You move from visible to even more visible.
Wild weasel aircraft will accompany some strike packages to confuse/jam enemy radar, but that is not absolutely not stealth.
If the F-35 is that bad that it will require that kind of support, then the whole point as been missed.
And probably, it is the frontal hemisphere that they care about. It is an attack aircraft, and will be headed towards the enemy ( until they have accomplished ( hopefully ) their mission and are egressing ( but at that point, the enemy knows they are there... ) )

No aircraft came off the designer's in great shape. Not in any era.
WWII aircraft manufacturer came up with a block system within models to track all the changes they were making.

Comment: Re:What difference now does it make? :) Sunk costs (Score 1) 342

by Duhavid (#47420505) Attached to: The Pentagon's $399 Billion Plane To Nowhere

No one is standing still though.
They will not be survivable forever, and you cant ( as we are seeing ) just wait and see.

And I would be stunned and amazed if the USAF were to seriously consider buying aircraft from the same basic generation as the aircraft already in inventory. If they wanted that, they could continue building what they have ( with potential updates, of course ).

The issues are the stealth features, which are hard to backfit on existing aircraft and the electronics/radar, which you might be able to, but you would have a major refit to accomplish ( assuming there is room/power/etc ) in the aircraft.

Comment: Re:What difference now does it make? :) Sunk costs (Score 1) 342

by Duhavid (#47420437) Attached to: The Pentagon's $399 Billion Plane To Nowhere

Of course ( as already noted ) is a compromise.
And it really isnt supposed to be dogfighting, I expect, but rather ( in an ungentlemanly fashion ) standing off and killing the enemy before they get close.

And yes, they are R&D problems. Any advanced aircraft will be having those.

Note, I am not saying that the F-35 is a perfect plane and is a model for procurement or production.
All I have read leads me to think that there is plenty of learning in how to do it better next time.
But I think it is still possible to have a great aircraft ( albeit an expensive one ) to result from this.

Comment: Re:What difference now does it make? :) Sunk costs (Score 4, Insightful) 342

by Duhavid (#47420027) Attached to: The Pentagon's $399 Billion Plane To Nowhere

You cannot continue to go out and fight with older weapons though.
Nominally, the F-15/F-16/F-18 are not as survivable in a modern air war.
A proven fighter is one that has been through the teething problems that the F-35 is going through now.
It may well be that it would be better to start over, but we would then have to start another project, because the above mentioned fighters are getting long in the tooth.

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