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Comment Re:Man whose job relies on the scientific method.. (Score 1) 743

Also, I'm not using two different terms for evolution, there is no trick and I am appalled that you try to state that. That mutations are not often/usually beneficial is not a surprise or a hidden agenda. Nor is it that they are always passed on nor dominant. It's not a conflict. It's pretty damn obvious actually. Of course, no one, and certainly not I, claimed that all mutations are beneficial. I'm very confused that you even took it that way and am left to wonder what your agenda really is.

On one side, evolution, you have natural selection leading to the selection of genetic mutations. It's verifiable, testable and the theory fits the available evidence.

I read that line above and though you are using the term evolution in two different ways. You used evolution as in "Natural Selection" in an attempt to prove "Goo to You" evolution. Many people do this. I was just trying to show that this line alone isn't showing evolution, just features of natural selection. ID doesn't have anything against Natural Selection. It is required to explain all the different variations of life on earth. ID uses the first line to explain the world and your right that ID and creationists belief that mutations dont lead to a new "kind".

Comment Re:Man whose job relies on the scientific method.. (Score 1) 743

I am a devils advocate and serious. I hate when a belief is passed off as science and then used to bash other opinions. So I am just pointing out the flaws in the science of evolution. Trying to show that the beliefs in it makes it a religion in itself. You may disagree with me, that is fine. I just want to raise the point that there are other serious opinions in logic other than we are just all mistakes of the universe. Most evolutions never hear an informed opposing view. Cheers.

Comment Re:Man whose job relies on the scientific method.. (Score 1) 743

You obviously have little clue about theory of natural selection and everything that goes with it. Perhaps you would have a better argument if you actually understood how evolution works.

I disagree. Please to any error in my statements?

The Theory of Natural Selection basically states that if a mutation helps you in survival, you are more likely to mate and the helpful mutation will propagate, which will eventually lead to great changes to the specie over time.

*I agree. The degree of change is limited to the variation in the species. Selection only picks out what is already there. Sometimes the change can be great, e.g. Great Dane vs chiwawa, but they are still both dogs.

There is nothing in this theory that says ALL mutations are helpful. I don't know where you got that idea from, but perhaps not drinking from the ID kool-aid will help you in that endeavor.

You are correct, But evolution requires a change agent and Natural Selection does not cut the mustard. In all it's flavors, e.g. specification with a separated population, (like flys in hawaii) are still just Natural Selection which only picks from pre existing information. Selection by definition filters information so the geane pool of the creature is lesser more specified. (thus less able to adapt later on) The only change agent in town now for "goo to you" is mutations.

There is no such a thing as bait and switch in science.

I agree, but if your terms are not well defined, then the layman will get things mixed up. Hence I try to explain the difference between Natural Selection (Survival of the fittest & proven), to Evolution (as in "goo to you", *not proven (*not counting devolution which ID and Creations agree with.)) Tell me, if someone came up to you in the street and ask what was evolution, would you say the theory of creatures changing? or the theory that everything came from a single cell? Because if you said evolution is the theory of creatures changing, that would make me an evolutionist. :-O

Either your theory is supported by evidence or it isn't. ID has no evidence nor a way to test it. It is not science. Evolution is a fact, Theory of Natural Selection is a well proven theory.

I would have to disagree with you here. With ID, they show examples of complex structures requiring all components to be working for it to exist and without there being any in-between forms for them to work therefore evidence of a designer. With evolution they require everything to happen by chance but Natural selection will remove the unfit half baked structures long before they would be established. Please show me evidence in a lab for evolution that is repeatable. The best example I know about is when for 30 years over 30,000 generations of bacteria were bread and through a 3 point mutation, they gain the ability to process citrus acid as a food source. The problem here is that that doesnt prove evolution as it actually broke a geane were they could already process citrus acid as food in an oxygen free environment. So NS favorited the defect but the gene is now stuck "on" making it less fit compared to the wild cussons. You might disagree with the evidence that ID has but it still there. Saying it isn't science, well how about evolution? it dogmatically chooses a materialist reason over logical reasons. Tell me, is you see a watch in the beach, would you say it's just wind and rain that caused the silicon and glass to take shape or would you say some kid dropped it there? saying something is design is a logical conclusion, rejecting a conclusion before you hear the evidence on the basis of a belief (materialism) would make you as bad the creationists :-)

Comment Re:Man whose job relies on the scientific method.. (Score 1) 743

Its a new account. My other account is Obble. slashdot really doesn't like my opinions hence I get -1 troll status at first post and therefore censored. I am very surprised to have 2 in rating as I usually just get down voted into oblivion by people with other more common strong world views.

Comment Re:Man whose job relies on the scientific method.. (Score 2) 743

IMO, I would have to disagree with what you are saying. You are setting up a straw man argument for ID. ID (and creationists) believe in Natural Selection, and Mutations. Theses are verifiable, testable and been proven over 100s of years. Even Natural Selection was talked about before Darwin...

Edward Blyth (1810–1873) was the man whose ideas probably influenced Darwin most. An English chemist and zoologist, Blyth wrote three major articles on natural selection that were published in The Magazine of Natural History from 1835 to 1837.7 Charles was well aware of these. Not only was this one of the leading zoological journals of that time, in which his friends Henslow, Jenyns and Lyell had all published articles, but also it seems that the University of Cambridge, England, has Darwin’s own copies of the issues containing the Blyth articles, with Charles’s handwritten notes in the margins

What ID & creationists argue against what is being passed off as science, namely the "goo to you via the zoo" Grant theory of evolution. NS works by filtering out what is already in the population, this is not a creative effect but only a selective effect. Mutations works against the host vastly more often than they benfit. Scientific Test: If you argue mutations are good, please step inside a necular reactor :-P (Actually there are some rare cases of mutations being good to the host but every instances it because of something breaking, which doesn't show Goo to you) But for Evolution, you use a bait and switch to lure in the layman by saying, see here these things change/evolved over time, and fitter things survive, therefor things evolved from mud in the ground. :-P The fallacy here is you are using 2 different terms for evolution to trick the layman, and I think it's a very cleaver trick imo. So please dont call the kettle black, when you own views you declare out loud to everyone have there own "faith" based position.

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