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Comment Re:Conspiracy theory: Bitcoin crash of April 2013 (Score 1) 367

If the US wanted bitcoin gone, they could have done so.

There exists something called an "51% attack", which means that anybody having more than half the hashrate of the Network is acknowledged as the boss and can do as he wants (stuff like spending the same bitcoin multiple times, manipulate the difficulty of future block mining, etc).

Back in April, before mass ASICS, the US could have trivially gotten that far. Hell, last year anybody willing to spend 5-10 million could have done it with off-the-counter hardware.

For an agencies who have a double digit BILLION black budgets, this is totally peanuts.

Never implied they want it gone, but as a bargaining chip for regulation perhaps they have the kill switch.

Comment Re:Now, for the other angle, is this treason? (Score 1) 367

If Snowden leaked this at this point he's exposing information on operations, methods, everything.
At what point does it cross the line and become treason? Is there a line which gets crossed where every Snowden supporter would say "this has gone too far"?

No. Next question.

Nice dodge to the question.

Comment Re:Now, for the other angle, is this treason? (Score 3, Insightful) 367

It is really, really easy to turn a blind eye to the evil one's government perpetrates when that evil is not directed at one's self or one's loved ones, and when in fact these benefit in some way from said evil.

Does all this evil keep our economy strong (possibly at the expense of other economies)? Does it keep stuff cheap at walmart? Does it keep the movies and tv programs flowing? Does it keep most of us basically comfortable in our lives? Then maybe we just won't bother sticking our necks out for a bunch of foreigners who offer nothing to us in return.

What is it that you want people to do exactly? Do you think we have any control over what intelligence agencies do? If we try to stop them then their allies will be in the position to do to us and our loved ones exactly what the US intelligence agencies are capable of doing to people in your country.

You don't seem to understand how things work. The US citizen cannot stop the US government because your government would work with the FBI to stop that. It would be called terrorism. The penalty for terrorism is harsh and can even include death.

If someone in your country tried to take on the intelligence agency of your country, then if your country is allied with the US government then the CIA would destroy those people/terrorists.

The only realistic solutions which aren't suicide or completely insane all take time. Decades. The government agencies can be made less abusive over time, and made to follow the laws of war or at least make it clear to us what rules they follow.

Comment Re:Now, for the other angle, is this treason? (Score 1, Interesting) 367

Whistleblowing on a secret US government agency that's governed (if at all) by secret laws and secret courts, and is clearly out of control?

Sorry, that would never cross the line into treason. It's the agency which is breaking the law.

So if the identities of operatives were leaked, is that treason? What would be too far even for you?

Comment Re:The dilema ... (Score 1) 427

Trust is only established when there aren't any secrets. Espionage can uncover any secrets.

Commonly Espionage tries to find other peoples secrets so they have more secrets to keep to themselves, it doesnt increase the public knowledge, therefore doesnt increase trust within society.

Nice try, but still a fail.

Let me ask you this, would you rather a spy society or to be drafted into war? These are the only options we get as civilians because conflicts are inevitable and we only get to choose the form it takes.

Espionage is easier for people to live with (no draft).

Comment Re:The dilema ... (Score 1) 427

Trust is only established when there aren't any secrets. Espionage can uncover any secrets.

Commonly Espionage tries to find other peoples secrets so they have more secrets to keep to themselves, it doesnt increase the public knowledge, therefore doesnt increase trust within society.

Nice try, but still a fail.

Espionage is how governments trust each other. The US and it's allies trust each other because they know each others secrets. The US does not trust Iran because the US does not know Iran's secrets as much as it knows about it's allies. Iran does not trust the USA because it does not know US secrets.

The general public has no reason to trust any government because they all keep secrets from us. But it is still a fact that espionage is better than war.

Comment Re:So what are the ethical uses of this again? (Score 1) 154

For real, so much of this brain research stuff it scary as heck to me. Even the so called ethical uses seem pretty creepy.

There was another research piece where they could associate negative or positive emotions with memories artificially. Some genius though it might be a way to fight PTSD, except I think he kind of overlooked the possible side effect associating positive emotions with death and carnage.

It depends on how it is developed but if its a top down government technology there are none.

Comment Re:The dilema ... (Score 1) 427

Mutual spying creates trust.

Anyone who thinks the US government should be hamstringed in its spying efforts by conflating it with surveillance of its own citizens just wishes for a weakened America relative to other nations who would gladly accept a spying advantage with even less trustworthy ambitions.

Anyone who is actually involved in diplomacy and expresses outrage over this is either a total fool or is acting for personal gain.

I agree with everything you said. You should be modded up. Nations who want to be trusted should not keep secrets from each other but since they all try to, this is why every nation has to spy on every nation.

Comment Re:The dilema ... (Score 1) 427

Wars are prevented when leaders of countries actually sit down and try to work out relationships with countries, without the intent of screwing them over for gain.

Agree, and its much easier to do that if there is trust between the parties/countries.
Trust makes relationships (economic and social) more efficient as it enables greater teamwork between parties, it also makes people feel safe and part of a community.
Trust is one the most valuable social resources we have, it takes years to nuture and grow, and these people constantly undermine it and destroy under the pretence that they are "helping" us.
They fail at being human.

Trust is only established when there aren't any secrets. Espionage can uncover any secrets.

Comment Re:The dilema ... (Score 1) 427

Spying is an act of WAR.

If spying were an "act of WAR", then EVERY government has a casus bellum against EVERY OTHER country.

Face it, espionage has been a fact of life between governments since at least the time of the ancient Greeks...

Espionage is how wars are prevented. We'd have a world war constantly for hundreds of years if not for the spy wars. World War 1 would never have ended.

Wars are prevented when leaders of countries actually sit down and try to work out relationships with countries, without the intent of screwing them over for gain.

How can you negotiate someone without knowing all their secrets? Governments have secrets and espionage is how negotiations can take place. If you don't know the other persons secrets you cannot know what the truth is and then how do you know what is or isn't fair?

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