... Would you all like to see his dumbass failure at trying to school me in thermodynamics? All you have to do is follow his comments back a ways. A long ways... because he kept making the same nonsense arguments, over, and over, and over again, even after he had been shown how wrong they were. ... [Jane Q. Public, 2014-10-22]
Jane keeps insisting that this Sky Dragon Slayer equation describes electrical heating power:
My energy conservation equation is this: electrical power in = (epsilon * sigma) * T^4 * area = radiant power out [Jane Q. Public, 2014-10-08]
Once again, that violates conservation of energy. Draw a boundary around the heat source:
power in = electrical heating power + radiative power in from the chamber walls
power out = radiative power out from the heat source
Jane's equation wrongly cancels "radiative power in" with a nonexistent term.
The BASIS of “greenhouse warming” -- back radiation -- has been SCIENTIFICALLY shown to be a load of hogwash. [Lonny Eachus, 2014-10-14]
No, Jane/Lonny Eachus's Slayer nonsense has been scientifically shown to violate conservation of energy. Unless, of course, Jane/Lonny can finally write down an energy conservation equation before wrongly "cancelling" terms?
It's fascinating that Jane/Lonny Eachus keeps insisting that mainstream physics is a hogwash dumbass failure. Jane/Lonny just needs to inform "dumbasses" like Prof. Brown, Dr. Joel Shore, physicists in the National Academies of Science, the American Institute of Physics, the American Physical Society, the Australian Institute of Physics, the European Physical Society, etc.
Jane/Lonny's Sky Dragon Slayer nonsense is so ridiculous that even prominent climate contrarians are rational enough to back away from the Slayers:
- Dr. Fred Singer finds it "surprising that this simplistic argument is used by physicists, and even by professors who teach thermodynamics. One can show them data of downwelling infrared radiation from CO2, water vapor, and clouds, which clearly impinge on the surface. But their minds are closed to any such evidence." The comments prove his point.
- Dr. Roy Spencer "clearly demonstrates that IR absorbing gases (greenhouse gases) reduce the Earth's ability to cool to outer space. No amount of obfuscation or strawman arguments in the comments section, below, will be able to get around this fact."
- Anthony Watts banned one of the original authors because of his nutty comments and later called the argument "rubbish ".
- In a thread that was deleted after a lawsuit threat, Prof. Judith Curry observed that the Sky Dragon group "damaged the credibility of skepticism about climate change and provides a convenient target when people want to refer to 'deniers' and crackpots."
- Lucia Liljegren calls the book muddled and confusing after being overwhelmed by the errors in a single chapter.
- Jeff Condon "will no longer discuss or even acknowledge his fake radiation nonsense here ... the second law backradiation bullshit needs to go away until a proper mathematical foundation supports it."
- Even Lord Monckton finds the Sky Dragon arguments exasperating, because they "fly in the face of experiments that even children can perform". As Joel Shore notes: "You know how far out in space your scientific reasoning is when Lord Monckton looks like a paragon of scientific thought by comparison!"
Again, even those contrarians are able to recognize that the correct equation (neglecting reflections) is:
electrical heating power per square meter + (e*s)*T4^4 = (e*s)*T1^4
Note that this equation obeys conservation of energy because it accounts for the temperature of the chamber walls.
Even the analysis Jane reviewed himself and found well-designed uses that equation on page 16 to describe the radiative component of heating power. Note that they don't use Jane's Slayer equation which stubbornly refuses to account for the temperature of the ambient chamber walls, which violates conservation of energy.
So not only do the vast majority of physicists disagree with Jane's Slayer nonsense, most climate contrarians are also rational enough to back away from the Slayers. Even the convicted scam artist who conned Jane and Lonny Eachus knows better than to ask Sky Dragon Slayers to prop up his latest scam.
So why is Jane/Lonny Eachus still regurgitating Sky Dragon Slayer nonsense, when all Jane/Lonny has to do to recognize they're wrong is try to write down an energy conservation equation without wrongly "cancelling" terms?