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Comment Re:Guffaw! So much overhaul it's FOUR better! (Score 1) 171

Then they used a very crappy method of version checking - the command line "ver" command doesn't return anything like "Windows 95"

Doesn't matter as these companies only hire inexperienced Indians to develop the software so the CEO can get his bonus.

An app failing due to a stupid version check done incorrectly brings in revenue as these customers will now have to pay twice :-)

I have seen this in the medical industry where an outdated version of IE is targeted on purpose knowing it will create demand for another purchase later on when websites stop rendering correctly. It doesn't make economic sense to hire good coders who prevent future re-purchases.

Also the MBAs are stupid and will just deny upgrades and approve software without IT's approval that is poorly written. After all IT is a cost center and they know more and are better than we are because they are profit centers. If you do not like go work elsewhere etc ...

Comment Re:Take it from a big FreeBSD fan... (Score 1) 267

You don't want to use BSD on the desktop.

I'm not saying you can't, all the usual stuff is in FreeBSD ports, there are distributions like PC-BSD that attempt to be good for desktops out of the box. If you really want to make it happen, you can. I've watched many Linux and FreeBSD folks spend countless hours making their desktops work.

Even going to a hard core sysadmin conference, you're going to see a sea of Mac's, some folks even using Windows, and a smattering of the hard core on Linux desktops. Why? To work with other people in their company or at other companies they need Skype, or WebEx to work. They need Excel to open the quotation for hardware, and flash player to view some mandatory training. They want resource browsing that just works so they can print to a printer in the office.

The reason BSD is great in the data center is lots of people use it for that. It's a network effect. You're standing on the shoulders of other folks. It's the same reason Windows and OS X dominate the user desktop market, the software you need just works on them, someone else has made it work. If I told you to replace all of your data center servers with Windows 8 boxes you'd probably laugh at me, and yet the opposite question does not provoke the same response!

So if you want to, try. It can be done, with much blood, sweat, and tears. You might find that fun, if so enjoy! You might work for a small enough company or even just yourself where you can mandate BSD, and LibreOffice and be happy. If so, you are extremely lucky. Otherwise as a long term, die hard, FreeBSD supporter I can tell you from 20+ years experience, you're going to just frustrate yourself.

Which is why I run it from a VM in VMware Worksation under Windows 7. There is virtualbox too which is free. I also run turnkey Linux for certain needs where I fire up and appliance for php testing etc. I have a VM for Windows domain controllers and my router is a configured OpenBSD VM with only takes 64 megs of ram for my virtual network for access.

I do not think it is blaspheme at all to use a real desktop OS like Windows 7 or MacOSX or even Linux if you hate SystemD, but use a vm for your real work to connect it with a server for php, database, etc.

Comment Re:Easiest way... (Score 1) 267

Maybe just maybe people just want a unix like OS and not care about learning commands.

Mac is great and Windows 7 is now a somewhat decent desktop OS which is quite shocking. I run www.turnkeylinux.com in VMware Workstation for web development. Do not have time to set stuff up and do not care. It is an appliance and just works.

My advice is to use a real desktop OS and keep the server stuff in vms. Virtualbox is free. Even if you are a Windows only dude these virtualizers can simulate a whole network with a domain controller and everything.

Comment Re:I'm happy to announce (Score 1) 400

IE ... as in modern IE is frankly a better corporate browser.

It supports GPO, webstandards, corporate apps, domain integration, and doesn't change every freaking 6 weeks??!

True it lacks add-ons I will admit but for work they do not care. Ie no longer is a pos it was last decade where you needed hacks to get anything to work which of course meant it only worked in one version of one browser from years ago.

Firefox is in a world of trouble. It is like having an IQ test with the retarded special ed kid when IE 6 was king in its early years. Now you have the athlete of IE who is fast with the gifted kid who is Chrome. Where has firefox went?

Comment Re: Who's using Firefox anyway ? (Score 1) 400

I use Firefox in preference to Chrome because of the superior and more permissive add on ecosystem, fine grained JavaScript controls, better tools for privacy protection and better (yes, really) memory management for my browsing habits.
Just the fact that I can have hassle free ad blocking on Android makes it worthy of consideration.

Great you mean how Firefox got rid of the option to turn off javascript.

It is turning more and more into a crappy version of chrome as they remove features but refuse to redo internal architecture like SMP support with per process tabs. IE 7 (yes that horrible browser from last decade) has better security with a sandbox and process per tabs. WTF??

Electrolysis or whatever it is called is 5 years too late. I hate no smooth scrolling anymore in chrome or the shitty font rendering but IE and Chrome are lightyears ahead.

Memory management is false as soon as you open lots of tabs both IE and Chrome can handle them and still stay responsive via processes for each tab. Not true in Firefox and FF uses the most ram. FF 4.0 vs IE 9 proved it.

Firefox needs a fork bad as I do not want webkit turning into the next IE 6 in the coming years with Google setting webstandards if the trend continues but shoot Firefox really fell from grace as a lightweight browser alternative to Mozilla and turning into Mozilla.

Comment Re:Opposition is from a small elite (Score 1) 550

Lets say you have a laptop that is on one network and goes to sleep when you close it and arrives in a hotel room on another network? How would you do this with init without some serious hacks?

init doesn't control the network, and it never has. it only starts the network. you use a network managing daemon to handle rejoining previously-seen access points and the like.

The problem is you have each thing doing checks all the time every 30 seconds and ugly scripts to do this. Especially if you want to do more than 1 thing from an event.

Init does processes, states aka runlevels, and other things. Not just loads the OS in a unix autoexec.bat. So wouldn't the logical way to do this would be to use something like Solaris version of system control manager (I think it is the name) to load this from an XML file? You just state what do for each thing and the system runs on its own with minimal configuration or complexity and maximum performance. SystemD may or may not be good. A lot of people fear change and I do not mean this as an insult. I think people do not see a benefit they do not want to learn something new which is why people obsess over the ancient XP and refuse to change. Unbelievable with that ..

Anyway yes init controls processes and threads and states so it makes sense it would do this correct? Unless you want each daemon and component to do its own checking and not integrate with each other?? This is the mess Linux does now.

Apple, Ubuntu, and Sun ditched init for that reason and why we have tons of inet alternatives. Something needs to change.

Comment Re:Opposition is from a small elite (Score 1) 550

But the system management would need to probe. Now imagine every app in the Linux distro doing the same thing. See a problem?

According to the wikipedia entry Init does more than just act as autoexec.bat and monitors processes and exhorts to runlevels for things like X mode or stay in a console.

In my world it makes sense that the OS knows what is going on in real time. It is debatable if the init processor should be the one to manage this but seems most logical. Read the part on the bottom and the replacements?

No need to get mad or personally at me. I am just stating init is not perfect. I have seen ugly init scripts that try to mimic a lot. The idea is quite powerful and kind of like the idea of servers that react differently to conditions such as a high load, hack attack, or one of the nics going down etc. If you program the events the init replacement can take care of a lot of stuff where you do not have to have scripts and other daemons which are designed to work with 1 app try to interact with several to do what you want.

System management is init as it launches the processes so it seems logical and it doesn't have to be ugly or complex. You simple state the event and what you want to happen next ala NGIX has over apache httpd files. SystemD in its current form does have issues from what I read even if it is not a good implementation but I am no expert.

Comment Re:Opposition is from a small elite (Score 0) 550

Then why did Apple get rid of init years ago?

With a mac (I am not a mac fan but illustrating a point) you open it up and it connects automatically. Also it would give error DNS messages in Chrome or Firefox which would confuse the non technical user who would blame the IT guy or Linux etc. The event based init replacement sees the event and knew to auto connect. Init is designed for a 1985 stationary unix server with maybe 30 or so utilities and 1 or 2 apps. Not for something we have today.

Init is the complexity part to deal with its limitations. But it is popular to bash it here so moderators ignore what I have to say. I guess Sun, Ubuntu, and Apple were wrong on why they all ditched init.

Even driven daemons are what is behind NGIX and why it beats Apache in terms of simplicity and performance. Windows also is async event based too in the startup of its services.

I am not saying SystemD is good. I am saying init is not god like XP RULEZ by the folks used to things a certain why.

Comment Re:Opposition is from a small elite (Score 0) 550

Init is not async nor event driven nor designed with the complexities of a modern distro.

Lets say you have a laptop that is on one network and goes to sleep when you close it and arrives in a hotel room on another network? How would you do this with init without some serious hacks?

With event driven processes like upstart or Apple's or Sun's you can accomplish this. You can also do things based on events like what if a hack intrusion is detected? SystemD or any event driven daemon can change config files and do other things on the fly without doing manual scripts for checks.

Running programs in the forms of bash scripts is an ugly hack compared to BSD systems in /etc where you just uncomment lines. Init should not be a tangled mess so no it is not perfect nor worked fine for decades. It never was good. Just familiar.

I am not saying SystemD is Good. I want to emphasize that. But everyone else is switching to event driven daemons for this. I will probably be modded down as this is Slashdot but we will see as what I say is no longer popular. SystemD was not hated here until a few months ago.

Comment Re:Not resigning from Debian (Score 1) 550

It's sad that in the world of open/free software somebody can still be bullied out of their job by a bunch of people who, for whatever reason, don't like what they do.

So many people don't understand, the whole point of Open/Free software is that you can fork the source if somebody takes it in a direction you do not like, you don't pay for it and you do not get to dictate what the authors do with it but you are free to make it your own if you choose to. However some people have this entitlement complex whereby they think they can dictate the direction of somebody elses work, it's sad that these vitriolic people have not been put in their place. They do not contribute and they simply want something for nothing, that is not the way of free software.

It is great that you are staying on at Debian to continue your work there, it is terrible that you have been forced into that decision though and it does not bode well for the future of open source and free software.

Happens in the real world too. I have already been demoted at my job and am ready to be fired tomorrow and I am considering resigning. FYI I have positive work kudus from my fans at work and was a hero before moving to a new site.

I got blamed for things out of my control and my inferior who just got promoted over me got credit for me fixing them and the view was it was all my fault when 20% of stations didn't even have freaking Ethernet!

When it comes to a man's reputation bullies can certainly ruin your image. Perception is everything and if you are in an unpopular project your reputation is harmed from the beginning.

I feel for the fellow if he is reading this and know what he is going through. You can rebuild your reputation elsewhere and resigning rather than being kicked out is the right thing as it would be even more embarrassing thanks to some asshats. Show what you are made of and at least you are free from the stress and tyranny of politics.

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