Oh, Lennart own Gnome now?
That is exactly the type of comments I read from critiques of systemd.

Oh please cry me a river. Impose systemd on others? Did Lennart own Ubuntu, Debian, RedHat and Suse now? It was deceided by the developers of those distributions to replace the old sysv init with systemd, and the alternatives were concidered. In Debian it was a democratic process by voting. RedHat is a company so clearly they will not bet on a broken system. Almost all of the arguments against systemd are not valid on technical grounds, and now you want to muddy the waters by attacking Lennart directly.

Systemd sypports text files just fine, you do the straw man here. Fedora have systemd since F18 (I think), today I'm using F20, and I still have all my log text files in the same location. Debian *voted* on the issue and decided that the alternatives (upstart, etc.) are not good enough technically compared to systemd, and sysv init was obolete. If you are thinking that Debian is now owned by Lennart, you really need to get your tin hat.

Systemd is not a mess. Many of the points are just false. Like your straw man with binary log files.

2 comments.

First almost all distributions already go with systemd. Gentoo is the only major holdout and that's harmless since Gentoo is fairly self supporting. Gentoo also doesn't use init they use a very good upgrade called OpenRC. There is no systemd fork going on. I think there are a small group of people who would like a fork but they aren't going to get it.

Second, for the End Use it is fairly easy to imagine what would happen for distributions without systemd. Right now in init people kludge together systems which restart daemons when they have problems or monitor them. Most likely those kludges don't get written when systemd is ubiquitous on the major distributions. Which means end users on init based systems will have daemons go down and stay down or ask for resources and not get them. They'll experience a much more buggy unreliable system. "You have to reboot Linux every couple days otherwise too much stuff doesn't work".

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As for the rest reducing the pool of available developers for most choices. This is where it gets tricky. You can look at the distributions overtime and see big differences. Take for example the original (in the USA) big 3 Linuxes of 20 years ago:

Debian -- heavy focus on open source. Willing to be hard to use. Server focused
RedHat -- moderate focus on open source. Aimed to be easy for hobbyists. Workstation focused
Caldera -- indifferent to open vs. closed source. Aimed for commercial functionality, especially desktop using a Novell LAN.

OK let's go back to that point in time. How do you prevent the original fork? Clearly those distributions served different needs they have different users in mind. Now let's look today

Debian -- meta distribution that is key end users are distributions who distribute free desktop Linuxes or embedded systems. Focused on being the leader in keeping Linux open and free.
RedHat -- Enterprise server and infrastructure. Just starting to refocus on embedded.
SUSE -- Meta distribution designed to allow for containerized custom OSes for VMs.
Android -- Meta distribution for touch enabled ARM hardware

Again very distinct user bases. Arguably on that list SUSE and RedHat could merge. But beyond that, where do you a merge potential?

What's wrong with services.msc on a Windows Server machine? Any serious answers from people who actually used it?

(i) Make each program do one thing well. To do a new job, build afresh rather than complicate old programs by adding new features.
        (ii) Expect the output of every program to become the input to another, as yet unknown, program. Don't clutter output with extraneous information. Avoid stringently columnar or binary input formats. Don't insist on interactive input. (later he summarized this as "Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface")
        (iii) Design and build software, even operating systems, to be tried early, ideally within weeks. Don't hesitate to throw away the clumsy parts and rebuild them.

Closed source isnt even the bar anymore. GPL lunatics crib about CDDL and a whole host of other licenses. I'd rather have closed source that works than open half-bake.

systemd is breaking UNIX tradition - which is things may suck, but they suck simply. Now its a horrible mess. We now have (1) scripts, (2) openrc, (3) upstart and (4) systemd. What a sick joke.

And the best thing I've seen so far to replace startup scripts is Sun's SMF... NIH alert! We couldnt have copied that - something that actually worked - no we need to have yet another method of starting things.

Worse thing is eth0 is now en0p1FuK0001, drivers are modprobbed in random order, stuff gets renamed and moved around, and NetworkMangler aka NetworkManager is shoved down our throats.

Its horrible. And its very desktop-ish.

What do you expect from a guy whose magnum opus was a sound framework for linux. Yeah, thats the guy you want re-writing how everything starts and stops. Dont copy the guys who invented NFS or ZFS or stuff like that, copy the junk the sound guy comes up with.

I'm confused by the text you quoted as coming from a parent comment. I cannot find that text in the parent comment, and AFAICS comments are not editable once posted, so that means it was never there. Where did you find this:

> Which means this is nothing but a hunter subsidy. Like whaling for Japan where their excuse is "whales eat all the fish".

And about the subsidy, juts for the record, since the text is there and I cannot find the quoted comment to reply to:

The articles says the compensation is just enough for disposal of the dead animals, it isn't even a compensation for missed earnings had they sold the meat. And I can tell you selling that meat would not a problem, people like buying wild animal meat. So the statement makes no sense at all, except to show that ideology often blinds ones reasoning abilities.

if a somebody's drone was trespassing on my property I would blast it out of the sky.

Target practice.

Which means this is nothing but a hunter subsidy. Like whaling for Japan where their excuse is "whales eat all the fish".

Yea, just like our electricity, oh wait. I mean like telephone service, no. Television, that's it, oops. Can't say water or sewer either, I live out of town and have a well, septic, and private trash pickup.

this would be a disaster for America, and CONcast.

Why is it no surprise we are suppose to live in a "free country", " free market" and yet our politicians are pretty much hand puppets just shove your money up their ass and make them dance. And people keep voting for this baboons, and allowing industries and corporations to pretty much OWN them.

I think the only hope we have right now is if enough yuppies get together and actually do something Gaagle has failed at, create another ISP service that is free, open, fast, and cheap.

You pay a private company for water? Where is this Randian paradise in which you live?

Right.

The way Slashdot hid a -1 comment made it appear as if the post I was responding to was intended as a "the government would be worse" post, while in truth it was in response to such a post.